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	<title>Comments on: NPR&#8217;s Robert Siegel: Cho Lived and Died as an American</title>
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		<title>By: john patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>john patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 04:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this thread got pretty gross.  I&#039;m pretty amazed that some of this stuff didn&#039;t get deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this thread got pretty gross.  I&#8217;m pretty amazed that some of this stuff didn&#8217;t get deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: 8 Asians &#187; What&#8217;s in a name? EVERYTHING - Cho Seung-Hui vs. Seung-Hui Cho</title>
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		<dc:creator>8 Asians &#187; What&#8217;s in a name? EVERYTHING - Cho Seung-Hui vs. Seung-Hui Cho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 05:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This really bothered me after a while, especially after CNN showed the receipt of one of the guns that Seung-Hui had bought, where he had written his name as &#8220;Seung Cho.&#8221; Why does this bother me and a lot of Asian-Americans? Because this is not only how Seung-Hui Cho referred to himself (besides the times he signed into class as &#8220;?&#8221;), but because Cho Seung-Hui is the direct Korean translation and is &#8220;foreign.&#8221; As Claire had commented on the NPR opinion piece, &#8220;Cho Lived and Died as an American,&#8221; Seung-Hui was living the immigrant experience that many Asian-Americans have been living. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This really bothered me after a while, especially after CNN showed the receipt of one of the guns that Seung-Hui had bought, where he had written his name as &#8220;Seung Cho.&#8221; Why does this bother me and a lot of Asian-Americans? Because this is not only how Seung-Hui Cho referred to himself (besides the times he signed into class as &#8220;?&#8221;), but because Cho Seung-Hui is the direct Korean translation and is &#8220;foreign.&#8221; As Claire had commented on the NPR opinion piece, &#8220;Cho Lived and Died as an American,&#8221; Seung-Hui was living the immigrant experience that many Asian-Americans have been living. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rom</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2007/04/18/nprs-robert-siegel-cho-lived-and-died-as-an-american/comment-page-1/#comment-7983</link>
		<dc:creator>rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your professor are lying to you is silly over the top comment... p.s. I am a professor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your professor are lying to you is silly over the top comment&#8230; p.s. I am a professor</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and to Mr. Williamson:

I am truly sorry people have given you such a hard time simply for the color of your skin. However, you are simply perpetrating the problem by generalizing all Asian Americans in this way, as well as by assuming that all Asian Americans HAVE spent time in Eastern Asia, especially long enough to pick up some of those nasty traits you seem to think all Asians have. It&#039;s not as though we deliberately leave the US or live in a different country long enough to go find an inner racist.

And personally? I love Leonardo di Caprio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and to Mr. Williamson:</p>
<p>I am truly sorry people have given you such a hard time simply for the color of your skin. However, you are simply perpetrating the problem by generalizing all Asian Americans in this way, as well as by assuming that all Asian Americans HAVE spent time in Eastern Asia, especially long enough to pick up some of those nasty traits you seem to think all Asians have. It&#8217;s not as though we deliberately leave the US or live in a different country long enough to go find an inner racist.</p>
<p>And personally? I love Leonardo di Caprio.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly, I don&#039;t believe that Cho&#039;s issues are truly a matter of him being a member of any particular race or ethnicity. What he did was horrible, but it&#039;s not because he was American this or Korean that. It&#039;s because he was a misfit and mentally unstable, a potent and clearly dangerous combination.

However, out of curiosity, I&#039;d like to know why Mr. Clark believes that I should be considered less American than that figurative girl from Iowa. I was born, raised, and still reside in California. For the sake of my argument, I will admit that I can be a complete &quot;Valley Girl,&quot; a la Alicia Silverstone in Clueless, minus the ridiculous wealth. I surf, adore baseball, and make a mean apple pie. I even rowed crew for my university. If you&#039;d never seen me, and just read what I wrote or heard me speak, you would think that I am that farm-raised Iowa girl (actually in this case, California). I am as American as anyone born or raised here is, with the exception of the Native Americans, the ONLY bona fide 100% Americans that live here.

If I have values, it&#039;s because I believe in them, not because they were thrust upon me from birth. I respect my elders because I believe it&#039;s the right thing (and really, only when it IS the right thing). I honor and protect my family because I love them. One might say that these values are stereotypically &quot;Asian,&quot; but aren&#039;t they good values to have no matter what &quot;race&quot; one associates him or herself with?

As an anthropology major, I believe that race is a social construct. As an individual, I believe it is a useless one, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly, I don&#8217;t believe that Cho&#8217;s issues are truly a matter of him being a member of any particular race or ethnicity. What he did was horrible, but it&#8217;s not because he was American this or Korean that. It&#8217;s because he was a misfit and mentally unstable, a potent and clearly dangerous combination.</p>
<p>However, out of curiosity, I&#8217;d like to know why Mr. Clark believes that I should be considered less American than that figurative girl from Iowa. I was born, raised, and still reside in California. For the sake of my argument, I will admit that I can be a complete &#8220;Valley Girl,&#8221; a la Alicia Silverstone in Clueless, minus the ridiculous wealth. I surf, adore baseball, and make a mean apple pie. I even rowed crew for my university. If you&#8217;d never seen me, and just read what I wrote or heard me speak, you would think that I am that farm-raised Iowa girl (actually in this case, California). I am as American as anyone born or raised here is, with the exception of the Native Americans, the ONLY bona fide 100% Americans that live here.</p>
<p>If I have values, it&#8217;s because I believe in them, not because they were thrust upon me from birth. I respect my elders because I believe it&#8217;s the right thing (and really, only when it IS the right thing). I honor and protect my family because I love them. One might say that these values are stereotypically &#8220;Asian,&#8221; but aren&#8217;t they good values to have no matter what &#8220;race&#8221; one associates him or herself with?</p>
<p>As an anthropology major, I believe that race is a social construct. As an individual, I believe it is a useless one, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add that it is interesting that Cho&#039;s ethnicity is discussed so much in this kind of forum, primarily because this site is about Asian-Americans and so the issue of race relations are going to be talked about (and mostly amongst Asian-Americans who frequent the site).  

However, if you look at other more &#039;general&#039; forums, the topic of Cho&#039;s ethnicity is not really discussed extensively, primarily because it is not as relevant and because there is no evidence or inclination to show that Cho&#039;s motivation was somehow related to his heritage or racial/ethnic background.  I think most people would agree that there is nothing &#039;un-American&#039; about his actions in the sense that we have seen other disturbed and seemingly inexplicable shootings such as this in the news.  This is not like a suicide bombing or 9/11 where Americans struggled to disect the cultural/religious motivations behind the terrorists.  Instead, we struggle to understand why a human being in our society would commit these crimes and we line them up with other school shootings in US history and try to find some sort of reasoning why some of our youth are so troubled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add that it is interesting that Cho&#8217;s ethnicity is discussed so much in this kind of forum, primarily because this site is about Asian-Americans and so the issue of race relations are going to be talked about (and mostly amongst Asian-Americans who frequent the site).  </p>
<p>However, if you look at other more &#8216;general&#8217; forums, the topic of Cho&#8217;s ethnicity is not really discussed extensively, primarily because it is not as relevant and because there is no evidence or inclination to show that Cho&#8217;s motivation was somehow related to his heritage or racial/ethnic background.  I think most people would agree that there is nothing &#8216;un-American&#8217; about his actions in the sense that we have seen other disturbed and seemingly inexplicable shootings such as this in the news.  This is not like a suicide bombing or 9/11 where Americans struggled to disect the cultural/religious motivations behind the terrorists.  Instead, we struggle to understand why a human being in our society would commit these crimes and we line them up with other school shootings in US history and try to find some sort of reasoning why some of our youth are so troubled.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pointedly American in the sense that he bore ill will against his own society, not one that was foreign to him.  Cho was an English major.  He wrote plays and poetry in English.  He wrote an 1800 word manifesto in English.  There was nothing to suggest he was the way he was because of difficulty in assimilating culture.  Anybody who has moved to the US since the age of 8 or around that age knows that you are very &quot;American&quot; by the time you&#039;re entering college.  

Nowhere in his complaints did it suggest he was angry at Americans as a cultural or national entity.  Again, he cited the American Columbine killers.  And his hate was vague, disturbed, not necessarily just rich people.  

Point is, Cho will go down as an American mass murderer, not a foreigner from Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pointedly American in the sense that he bore ill will against his own society, not one that was foreign to him.  Cho was an English major.  He wrote plays and poetry in English.  He wrote an 1800 word manifesto in English.  There was nothing to suggest he was the way he was because of difficulty in assimilating culture.  Anybody who has moved to the US since the age of 8 or around that age knows that you are very &#8220;American&#8221; by the time you&#8217;re entering college.  </p>
<p>Nowhere in his complaints did it suggest he was angry at Americans as a cultural or national entity.  Again, he cited the American Columbine killers.  And his hate was vague, disturbed, not necessarily just rich people.  </p>
<p>Point is, Cho will go down as an American mass murderer, not a foreigner from Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: rom</title>
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		<dc:creator>rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Society might owe resposiblity for Cho but b/c someone comes from my culture does not mean have to call him one mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Society might owe resposiblity for Cho but b/c someone comes from my culture does not mean have to call him one mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver,

Interesting.  I&#039;m far from an expert on Korea, but Siegel&#039;s explanation sounded like he started with his thesis (that Cho was nuthin&#039; but a good ol&#039; &#039;Merican boy, simple as that) and then scanned some websites and cherry-picked Cho&#039;s ravings to find support for that thesis.  

I&#039;d bet he doesn&#039;t have the specific knowledge to pick up on certain aspects of Cho&#039;s Koreanness like you did here and others in the media have as well.

At its heart, though, this case seems more like one of simple and tragic mental illness than a cross-cultural drama.  I&#039;m happy to leave it at that, and only felt the need bring up Cho&#039;s mixed cultural identity because Mr. Siegel erroneously insisted otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver,</p>
<p>Interesting.  I&#8217;m far from an expert on Korea, but Siegel&#8217;s explanation sounded like he started with his thesis (that Cho was nuthin&#8217; but a good ol&#8217; &#8216;Merican boy, simple as that) and then scanned some websites and cherry-picked Cho&#8217;s ravings to find support for that thesis.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d bet he doesn&#8217;t have the specific knowledge to pick up on certain aspects of Cho&#8217;s Koreanness like you did here and others in the media have as well.</p>
<p>At its heart, though, this case seems more like one of simple and tragic mental illness than a cross-cultural drama.  I&#8217;m happy to leave it at that, and only felt the need bring up Cho&#8217;s mixed cultural identity because Mr. Siegel erroneously insisted otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Williamson Jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Williamson Jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Cho&#039;s video also, and I wonder how Cho&#039;s anger and motivations were &quot;pointedly American&quot;?  What is that supposed to mean?

Having done several stints in South Korea, I actually thought Cho sounded very &quot;Korean&quot;.  The cadence and drone of his voice were all too familiar.  Most of his complaints were nothing new either.  There is a lot of ill will towards rich people over there.  In a country where status conciousness has run amok, envy runs even deeper than in most other places.  Thus, there is also a lot of ill will in Korea toward America, &quot;white people&quot;, Jews, and Israel.  In many young East Asians&#039; eyes, America, &quot;white people&quot;, Jews, and Israel are essentially the same thing, and the majority of young Koreans take any and every opportunity to denigrate them.  A good number of older Koreans are no better.

Cho actually reminded me of &quot;Jijeonpa&quot; in the early 1990s, that group of Koreans who abducted several people in Apkujondong and cannibalized them.  They railed against rich people too and regretted that they did not have the opportunity to abduct an &quot;orangejok&quot; (&quot;Orange tribe&quot;: a certain group of spoiled rich Korean kids in 1990s Seoul.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Cho&#8217;s video also, and I wonder how Cho&#8217;s anger and motivations were &#8220;pointedly American&#8221;?  What is that supposed to mean?</p>
<p>Having done several stints in South Korea, I actually thought Cho sounded very &#8220;Korean&#8221;.  The cadence and drone of his voice were all too familiar.  Most of his complaints were nothing new either.  There is a lot of ill will towards rich people over there.  In a country where status conciousness has run amok, envy runs even deeper than in most other places.  Thus, there is also a lot of ill will in Korea toward America, &#8220;white people&#8221;, Jews, and Israel.  In many young East Asians&#8217; eyes, America, &#8220;white people&#8221;, Jews, and Israel are essentially the same thing, and the majority of young Koreans take any and every opportunity to denigrate them.  A good number of older Koreans are no better.</p>
<p>Cho actually reminded me of &#8220;Jijeonpa&#8221; in the early 1990s, that group of Koreans who abducted several people in Apkujondong and cannibalized them.  They railed against rich people too and regretted that they did not have the opportunity to abduct an &#8220;orangejok&#8221; (&#8221;Orange tribe&#8221;: a certain group of spoiled rich Korean kids in 1990s Seoul.)</p>
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