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		<title>By: Viet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lost faith in the Asian community a long time ago.  We don&#039;t even have half our our Asian female counterpart.  S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lost faith in the Asian community a long time ago.  We don&#8217;t even have half our our Asian female counterpart.  S</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting article, but I think a major issue regarding this tragedy is being overlooked. His Korean ancetry DID play a part in this tragedy

I have become aware through personal experience that there is shame in mental illness in Korean culture. Immigrant parents are often are in denial about the seriousness of mental illness of family members. In conversations with professionals I have learned that when mental illness issues come up in Korean families, family members tend to try to place blame as opposed to solving the problem. What this means is that even if some of the shooters teachers saw problems and tried to help him, he very well might have been told by members of his family that &quot;there is nothing wrong with you, you are working too hard, you should pray more, something is wrong with the school  etc...&quot; As one psychologist told me &quot;the family becomes enemy of the treatment.&#039;

Psychotic mental illness doesn&#039;t just pop up because a kid is having a bad time at school. It is cased by a chemical imbalance in the brain( like bipolar) or trauma during childhood , almost always before the age of 13. Yet I have hear from school professionals that initial reaction when talking to Asian immigrant parents of mentally ill young adults is either denial or to blame a girlfriend, job, school, or spouse.  I talked with psychologist who said the parents blamed him. That their kid was fine until the psychologist convinced him he was crazy.

Teachers and fellow students felt the killer had problems and recommended treatment. WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILY!!  Why weren&#039;t they aware of his problems and trying to get him help. I think this denial of mental illness within the culture may be to blame .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting article, but I think a major issue regarding this tragedy is being overlooked. His Korean ancetry DID play a part in this tragedy</p>
<p>I have become aware through personal experience that there is shame in mental illness in Korean culture. Immigrant parents are often are in denial about the seriousness of mental illness of family members. In conversations with professionals I have learned that when mental illness issues come up in Korean families, family members tend to try to place blame as opposed to solving the problem. What this means is that even if some of the shooters teachers saw problems and tried to help him, he very well might have been told by members of his family that &#8220;there is nothing wrong with you, you are working too hard, you should pray more, something is wrong with the school  etc&#8230;&#8221; As one psychologist told me &#8220;the family becomes enemy of the treatment.&#8217;</p>
<p>Psychotic mental illness doesn&#8217;t just pop up because a kid is having a bad time at school. It is cased by a chemical imbalance in the brain( like bipolar) or trauma during childhood , almost always before the age of 13. Yet I have hear from school professionals that initial reaction when talking to Asian immigrant parents of mentally ill young adults is either denial or to blame a girlfriend, job, school, or spouse.  I talked with psychologist who said the parents blamed him. That their kid was fine until the psychologist convinced him he was crazy.</p>
<p>Teachers and fellow students felt the killer had problems and recommended treatment. WHAT ABOUT THE FAMILY!!  Why weren&#8217;t they aware of his problems and trying to get him help. I think this denial of mental illness within the culture may be to blame .</p>
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		<title>By: bekhyon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bekhyon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. thanks for the words. Sadly, there are still more Chos out there that need us to reach out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. thanks for the words. Sadly, there are still more Chos out there that need us to reach out.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Unfortunately (but perhaps it’s good to note we’re not all so different from one another), it seems that not a single ethnic group is immune from mental illness or violent crime. Korean-Americans and Koreans may have been shocked to hear it was “one of their own” to commit these crimes, but wasn’t he really just one person in a larger international community?&lt;/i&gt;

I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Unfortunately (but perhaps it’s good to note we’re not all so different from one another), it seems that not a single ethnic group is immune from mental illness or violent crime. Korean-Americans and Koreans may have been shocked to hear it was “one of their own” to commit these crimes, but wasn’t he really just one person in a larger international community?</i></p>
<p>I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you trully love Cho and do you really think you or or the greater community could have saved someone with his degree of mental illness? And he would not be capable of returning your love. When someone dissassociates from soceity they are pretty much unreachable by the general community and attempts were made by teachers and sweetmates to include him. Unfortunately mental health professionals were what he trully needed.&lt;/i&gt;

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BRAVO! I wholeheartedly agree.

I read a news article (link forgotten) that stated that others *did* reach out to him, but he rejected them. According to one article, his sister even asked a friend to check up on him, and he rebuffed the friend&#039;s attempts at friendship.

He had a debilitating mental illness, and it did not manifest itself in overt acts of threatening behavior. This is why he slipped through the cracks. He was quiet and secretive, and no one could have imagined that he would commit such an act, not even his family. He wrote weird, twisted, and badly written plays, and he was socially awkward, but there were people in my high school and college who were more menacing than what was reported about Mr. Cho. And these people went on to live healthy lives.

People, let it go. Please. 99.999% of weird loners with odds thoughts don&#039;t go on rampages. Seung Cho was a statistical outlier whose actions had devastating consequences, but a statistical outlier nevertheless. The APA community shouldn&#039;t treat this incident as anything more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you trully love Cho and do you really think you or or the greater community could have saved someone with his degree of mental illness? And he would not be capable of returning your love. When someone dissassociates from soceity they are pretty much unreachable by the general community and attempts were made by teachers and sweetmates to include him. Unfortunately mental health professionals were what he trully needed.</i></p>
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<p>BRAVO! I wholeheartedly agree.</p>
<p>I read a news article (link forgotten) that stated that others *did* reach out to him, but he rejected them. According to one article, his sister even asked a friend to check up on him, and he rebuffed the friend&#8217;s attempts at friendship.</p>
<p>He had a debilitating mental illness, and it did not manifest itself in overt acts of threatening behavior. This is why he slipped through the cracks. He was quiet and secretive, and no one could have imagined that he would commit such an act, not even his family. He wrote weird, twisted, and badly written plays, and he was socially awkward, but there were people in my high school and college who were more menacing than what was reported about Mr. Cho. And these people went on to live healthy lives.</p>
<p>People, let it go. Please. 99.999% of weird loners with odds thoughts don&#8217;t go on rampages. Seung Cho was a statistical outlier whose actions had devastating consequences, but a statistical outlier nevertheless. The APA community shouldn&#8217;t treat this incident as anything more.</p>
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		<title>By: hk</title>
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		<dc:creator>hk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 04:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the root issue here is that certain antisocial and deranged behaviors extend themselves beyond ethnic, social and class divides.  Korean/Korean-American feelings of guilt are misplaced - what happened at Virginia Tech could not logically be explained or apologized for by any group or individual.  Do white or black Americans apologize for every crime committed by a single individual of their race?  Unfortunately (but perhaps it&#039;s good to note we&#039;re not all so different from one another), it seems that not a single ethnic group is immune from mental illness or violent crime.  Korean-Americans and Koreans may have been shocked to hear it was &quot;one of their own&quot; to commit these crimes, but wasn&#039;t he really just one person in a larger international community?  These events should be evaluated on a national and global level - to understand and prevent the level of isolation and anger that would cause anyone to commit such heinous acts.  And in the meantime, get some tougher gun control laws...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the root issue here is that certain antisocial and deranged behaviors extend themselves beyond ethnic, social and class divides.  Korean/Korean-American feelings of guilt are misplaced &#8211; what happened at Virginia Tech could not logically be explained or apologized for by any group or individual.  Do white or black Americans apologize for every crime committed by a single individual of their race?  Unfortunately (but perhaps it&#8217;s good to note we&#8217;re not all so different from one another), it seems that not a single ethnic group is immune from mental illness or violent crime.  Korean-Americans and Koreans may have been shocked to hear it was &#8220;one of their own&#8221; to commit these crimes, but wasn&#8217;t he really just one person in a larger international community?  These events should be evaluated on a national and global level &#8211; to understand and prevent the level of isolation and anger that would cause anyone to commit such heinous acts.  And in the meantime, get some tougher gun control laws&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Xxxtine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xxxtine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I stated in another post re: Cho - the only people who can really claim him are his poor parents (who I&#039;ve heard through the grapevine have tried taking their own lives out of shame).  Nonetheless, I&#039;m more concerned with people (Asian, specifically Korean Americans) feeling it is their obligation to apologize on his behalf.

Since when did the community do anything wrong? If I&#039;m not mistaken, there is help available, you just have to a) swallow your pride and b) ask for it.  The unfortunate part is, if someone may have actually suggested to him that he seek some help, I have about a 95% gut feeling he wouldn&#039;t have gone anyways.

I think people are forgetting that the more central theme to all of this, isn&#039;t really his own mental condition, but the mental condition of every sniper, Colombine shooter and Montreal executioner - why they feel such rage to take so many lives before their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I stated in another post re: Cho &#8211; the only people who can really claim him are his poor parents (who I&#8217;ve heard through the grapevine have tried taking their own lives out of shame).  Nonetheless, I&#8217;m more concerned with people (Asian, specifically Korean Americans) feeling it is their obligation to apologize on his behalf.</p>
<p>Since when did the community do anything wrong? If I&#8217;m not mistaken, there is help available, you just have to a) swallow your pride and b) ask for it.  The unfortunate part is, if someone may have actually suggested to him that he seek some help, I have about a 95% gut feeling he wouldn&#8217;t have gone anyways.</p>
<p>I think people are forgetting that the more central theme to all of this, isn&#8217;t really his own mental condition, but the mental condition of every sniper, Colombine shooter and Montreal executioner &#8211; why they feel such rage to take so many lives before their own.</p>
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		<title>By: rom</title>
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		<dc:creator>rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post KL and MJ.</description>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want to say that the white washed asians disassociate themselves to fit in with white american. That&#039;s a blanket generalization, and inaccurate. Some asians do purposefully try to disassociate themselves, however, we are disassociating ourselves from Cho because of the cowardice of his actions. He took other people&#039;s lives then his own to escape the sad fact that he did not fit in. How can you love somebody who murdered 32 people in cold blood? 

WE disassociate from him because he acted in a way that the asian or korean communities do not condone. We do not support murder, so we do not want him to  be visualized by race-sensitive america as our legacy. 

Are we responsible for what he did? Not a chance. Unless free will doesn&#039;t exist anymore, he had a choice. Shoot 32 students then off himself or figure out a better alternative. He chose a permanent solution for a temporary problem. He&#039;s a fool and a coward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to say that the white washed asians disassociate themselves to fit in with white american. That&#8217;s a blanket generalization, and inaccurate. Some asians do purposefully try to disassociate themselves, however, we are disassociating ourselves from Cho because of the cowardice of his actions. He took other people&#8217;s lives then his own to escape the sad fact that he did not fit in. How can you love somebody who murdered 32 people in cold blood? </p>
<p>WE disassociate from him because he acted in a way that the asian or korean communities do not condone. We do not support murder, so we do not want him to  be visualized by race-sensitive america as our legacy. </p>
<p>Are we responsible for what he did? Not a chance. Unless free will doesn&#8217;t exist anymore, he had a choice. Shoot 32 students then off himself or figure out a better alternative. He chose a permanent solution for a temporary problem. He&#8217;s a fool and a coward.</p>
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		<title>By: BL</title>
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		<dc:creator>BL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 20:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...are you really asserting that simple isolation and alienation led to Cho&#039;s murderous rampage and if someone merely took the time to reach out to him that all could have been fixed?  If that sort of logic really panned out there would be a lot more gun wheelding people of color out there.  From what I&#039;ve read about Cho, I&#039;m going to guess the boy suffered from a mild disassociation disorder coupled with psychosis and depression.  His problems where not a result of the community he grew up in or the experiences he endured growing up.  His problems reached far beyond his ethnicity, his familial history (unless there was a history of psychological disorders in his family), or his status as an immigrant.

Rather than a &quot;white washing&quot;, the reaction of Koreans and Korean-Americans has been all too disappointingly rooted in Confusionism.  Somehow the collective Korean community feels this responsibiity for the actions of Cho and thus feel compelled to apologize for him.  There is absolutely nothing to apologize for.  Cho&#039;s actions are as much a reflection of the Korean community as Ted Bundy&#039;s actions were a reflection of the white community.  If you&#039;re trying to blame anyone, I&#039;d blame the overall American culture and its overwhelming blood lust.  Without Columbine and any other countless school shootings (and the subsequent media attention given to these events) I doubt Cho would have had the wherewithall to even dream up such a planned act of violence.  

As a first generation KA I have no sympathy for Cho, nor do I take any responsibility for his actions.  I refuse to apologize for the actions of a monster, nor do I feel any shame.  Mindless solidarity to an individual, concept, country is what leads to group think, mass genocide, and overall loss of common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;are you really asserting that simple isolation and alienation led to Cho&#8217;s murderous rampage and if someone merely took the time to reach out to him that all could have been fixed?  If that sort of logic really panned out there would be a lot more gun wheelding people of color out there.  From what I&#8217;ve read about Cho, I&#8217;m going to guess the boy suffered from a mild disassociation disorder coupled with psychosis and depression.  His problems where not a result of the community he grew up in or the experiences he endured growing up.  His problems reached far beyond his ethnicity, his familial history (unless there was a history of psychological disorders in his family), or his status as an immigrant.</p>
<p>Rather than a &#8220;white washing&#8221;, the reaction of Koreans and Korean-Americans has been all too disappointingly rooted in Confusionism.  Somehow the collective Korean community feels this responsibiity for the actions of Cho and thus feel compelled to apologize for him.  There is absolutely nothing to apologize for.  Cho&#8217;s actions are as much a reflection of the Korean community as Ted Bundy&#8217;s actions were a reflection of the white community.  If you&#8217;re trying to blame anyone, I&#8217;d blame the overall American culture and its overwhelming blood lust.  Without Columbine and any other countless school shootings (and the subsequent media attention given to these events) I doubt Cho would have had the wherewithall to even dream up such a planned act of violence.  </p>
<p>As a first generation KA I have no sympathy for Cho, nor do I take any responsibility for his actions.  I refuse to apologize for the actions of a monster, nor do I feel any shame.  Mindless solidarity to an individual, concept, country is what leads to group think, mass genocide, and overall loss of common sense.</p>
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