Comments on: CNN: American Morning: An Asian glass ceiling? http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:53:47 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: 8Asians.com » Fatherhood, Time, and Success http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-125062 8Asians.com » Fatherhood, Time, and Success Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:01:26 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-125062 [...] we have talked about the lack of Asian-American CEOs and the glass ceiling, we haven’t discussed the price of “success” for those who [...] [...] we have talked about the lack of Asian-American CEOs and the glass ceiling, we haven’t discussed the price of “success” for those who [...]

]]> By: lazybye http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-125037 lazybye Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:27:38 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-125037 I didn't watch the segment, but it sounds like Yul Kwon is basically blaming the victim: if Asians can't move up in the business world, it's their own damn fault. I think he and many Asians realize there is more to it than that--i.e. plain racism, but he can't get up on CNN and say that and expect to be invited back. Several thousand silicon valley firms have been founded by Asians, and many of the most well-known ones have been headed by Asians, like Nvidia, Yahoo and Garmin, so I don't think there's really a dearth of Asians who have leadership skills. On the contrary, many white CEO's like Eric Schmidt of Google or Larry Ellison of Oracle don't seem to be the most personable or dynamic or even likable people, yet all the same they've been successful. I have actually read parts of Jane Hyun's book The Bamboo Ceiling and she basically says the same thing, that it's Asians' fault. Now I know there is an ounce of truth to this, but to fail to discuss the other part--institutional racism--is kind of lazy if not outright cowardly. I wish more Asians would just come out and say it, that much of America still thinks we're foreigners and outsiders, and that's why they don't think of us a appropriate in leadership positions. I didn't watch the segment, but it sounds like Yul Kwon is basically blaming the victim: if Asians can't move up in the business world, it's their own damn fault. I think he and many Asians realize there is more to it than that–i.e. plain racism, but he can't get up on CNN and say that and expect to be invited back. Several thousand silicon valley firms have been founded by Asians, and many of the most well-known ones have been headed by Asians, like Nvidia, Yahoo and Garmin, so I don't think there's really a dearth of Asians who have leadership skills. On the contrary, many white CEO's like Eric Schmidt of Google or Larry Ellison of Oracle don't seem to be the most personable or dynamic or even likable people, yet all the same they've been successful. I have actually read parts of Jane Hyun's book The Bamboo Ceiling and she basically says the same thing, that it's Asians' fault. Now I know there is an ounce of truth to this, but to fail to discuss the other part–institutional racism–is kind of lazy if not outright cowardly. I wish more Asians would just come out and say it, that much of America still thinks we're foreigners and outsiders, and that's why they don't think of us a appropriate in leadership positions.

]]> By: 8Asians.com » Peering Through The Glass Ceiling http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-116428 8Asians.com » Peering Through The Glass Ceiling Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:32:48 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-116428 [...] 8asians has of course covered this topic of Asians and the glass ceiling in a previous posting, noting that Asians hold only 12 percent of managerial positions, but are 30% of the population in Silicon Valley. This study looked at all managerial positions, and if you compare it with my company, you’d find it’s probably accurate, as there are a fair number of Asian managers in my company, just none at the director level and above, outside of engineering (myself excepted). [...] [...] 8asians has of course covered this topic of Asians and the glass ceiling in a previous posting, noting that Asians hold only 12 percent of managerial positions, but are 30% of the population in Silicon Valley. This study looked at all managerial positions, and if you compare it with my company, you’d find it’s probably accurate, as there are a fair number of Asian managers in my company, just none at the director level and above, outside of engineering (myself excepted). [...]

]]> By: 8Asians.com » Japanese Americans explore the power of ethnic networks in Silicon Valley http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-114631 8Asians.com » Japanese Americans explore the power of ethnic networks in Silicon Valley Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:23:21 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-114631 [...] that although Asian Americans represent 30 percent of technology professionals in Silicon Valley, only around 12 percent of managerial positions are held by Asian Americans compared with 80 percent .... Best of luck to N! Leadership Network in expanding and promoting a high quality business network [...] [...] that although Asian Americans represent 30 percent of technology professionals in Silicon Valley, only around 12 percent of managerial positions are held by Asian Americans compared with 80 percent …. Best of luck to N! Leadership Network in expanding and promoting a high quality business network [...]

]]> By: 888 Society | Study: Americans Expect Business Leaders to Be White http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-113482 888 Society | Study: Americans Expect Business Leaders to Be White Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:15:57 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-113482 [...] Do Asian Americans suffer from stereotypes in the business world? Of course we do; after attending business school, I joined a Silicon Valley software company as a product manager and attended a lot of trade shows during my first year (just as the tech boom became a bust). Inevitably, people would ask me at the show booth or in meetings, if I was an engineer on the product and I would have to correct their presumption that I was in fact, a product manager (though I did used to be a mechanical design engineer in the aerospace industry.) I found this an odd question, since most companies did not bring any engineers to any of the trade shows (business travel was something new to me prior to becoming a product manager). Quiet, non-confrontational, back office software engineers is what I think most Silicon Valley folks perceive Asian Americans to be. But we can and are much more - but may be brainwashed to think otherwise. I’ve blogged before about the an Asian glass ceiling. [...] [...] Do Asian Americans suffer from stereotypes in the business world? Of course we do; after attending business school, I joined a Silicon Valley software company as a product manager and attended a lot of trade shows during my first year (just as the tech boom became a bust). Inevitably, people would ask me at the show booth or in meetings, if I was an engineer on the product and I would have to correct their presumption that I was in fact, a product manager (though I did used to be a mechanical design engineer in the aerospace industry.) I found this an odd question, since most companies did not bring any engineers to any of the trade shows (business travel was something new to me prior to becoming a product manager). Quiet, non-confrontational, back office software engineers is what I think most Silicon Valley folks perceive Asian Americans to be. But we can and are much more – but may be brainwashed to think otherwise. I’ve blogged before about the an Asian glass ceiling. [...]

]]> By: 8Asians.com » An Interview with Jen-Hsun Huang, CEO Nvidia: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-112530 8Asians.com » An Interview with Jen-Hsun Huang, CEO Nvidia: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:01:14 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-112530 [...] a few years back; he’s down-to-earth and approachable.  I asked Huang about the perceived glass ceiling in corporate America for Asian Americans and what we could do to break the ceiling. His advice: to be authentic, be true [...] [...] a few years back; he’s down-to-earth and approachable.  I asked Huang about the perceived glass ceiling in corporate America for Asian Americans and what we could do to break the ceiling. His advice: to be authentic, be true [...]

]]> By: 8Asians.com » San Francisco Police Chief Heather Fong to retire in April: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-106934 8Asians.com » San Francisco Police Chief Heather Fong to retire in April: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:50:51 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-106934 [...] like stereotypical complaints made about Asian Americans in the corporate world, if you ask me. Just because the traditional model of police chief management and leadership has [...] [...] like stereotypical complaints made about Asian Americans in the corporate world, if you ask me. Just because the traditional model of police chief management and leadership has [...]

]]> By: 8Asians.com » Asian American Students and School Stereotypes: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-50425 8Asians.com » Asian American Students and School Stereotypes: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:17:33 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-50425 [...] in San Francisco / Silicon Valley) have been hitting the glass or “bamboo” ceiling (CNN: American Morning: An Asian glass ceiling?). Any thoughts on the “model minority” stereotype or the “bamboo ceiling”? [...] [...] in San Francisco / Silicon Valley) have been hitting the glass or “bamboo” ceiling (CNN: American Morning: An Asian glass ceiling?). Any thoughts on the “model minority” stereotype or the “bamboo ceiling”? [...]

]]> By: Erik http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-12293 Erik Fri, 25 May 2007 00:06:58 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-12293 I agree with Tiffany. Values differ now more by generational and geographical lines than ethnicity. I also believe there are more skill sets that people tend to focus on that aren't linked to leadership. I hate to stereotype, but verbal communication skills are a must that many Asians still have to master. Also, the numbers may be flawed. If 30% are Asian, then I'd say probably 70% of those Asians are focused on the engineering side of things. So they are competing against each other for those same managerial positions. They don't divide managerial positions up by ethnicity but by department. So maybe there are only 9% competing for the other non-engineering (admin, sales, biz dev, marketing) positions. I agree with Tiffany. Values differ now more by generational and geographical lines than ethnicity.

I also believe there are more skill sets that people tend to focus on that aren’t linked to leadership. I hate to stereotype, but verbal communication skills are a must that many Asians still have to master.

Also, the numbers may be flawed. If 30% are Asian, then I’d say probably 70% of those Asians are focused on the engineering side of things. So they are competing against each other for those same managerial positions. They don’t divide managerial positions up by ethnicity but by department. So maybe there are only 9% competing for the other non-engineering (admin, sales, biz dev, marketing) positions.

]]> By: tiffany http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-11281 tiffany Sat, 19 May 2007 02:41:03 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-11281 I feel like this might be a generational thing-- that Asian/Asian Americans adapt as they are acclimated to American values and ethics. I didn't watch this segment, but I also wonder if the priorities for asians (be financially lucrative and being scientifically inclined/just plain smart) need to be realigned with new values like leadership and ...? I feel like this might be a generational thing– that Asian/Asian Americans adapt as they are acclimated to American values and ethics.

I didn’t watch this segment, but I also wonder if the priorities for asians (be financially lucrative and being scientifically inclined/just plain smart) need to be realigned with new values like leadership and …?

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