Comments on: CNN: American Morning: An Asian glass ceiling? http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/ A blog for Asian Americans Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:50:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Anonymous http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-142387 Anonymous Mon, 04 Oct 2010 04:17:00 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-142387 You guys are hilarious. You know, there once was another minority group that was said to lack managerial ambition, leadership ability, interpersonal and communicative skills, and even a sense of humor. All these were thought to be natural traits inherent to the minority group... up until Executive Order 11246 started to be enforced heavily in their favor, and people found out, hey, it's not that they lack these skills, it's just that institutions used them as weak rationalizations for clearly discriminative practices. This group was women. Now, with the help and commitment of the EEOC and Labor Department, we have Indra Nooyi, ranked Fortune's #1 most powerful woman in business as head of PepsiCo. And she's Asian to boot! Go figure. Also, Asians lack leadership skills? Do you people even take history classes? I defy you to tell me that Genghis Khan didn't know how to assert himself. Or Tsao Tsao. Etc. You guys are hilarious. You know, there once was another minority group that was said to lack managerial ambition, leadership ability, interpersonal and communicative skills, and even a sense of humor. All these were thought to be natural traits inherent to the minority group… up until Executive Order 11246 started to be enforced heavily in their favor, and people found out, hey, it’s not that they lack these skills, it’s just that institutions used them as weak rationalizations for clearly discriminative practices.

This group was women.

Now, with the help and commitment of the EEOC and Labor Department, we have Indra Nooyi, ranked Fortune’s #1 most powerful woman in business as head of PepsiCo. And she’s Asian to boot! Go figure.

Also, Asians lack leadership skills? Do you people even take history classes? I defy you to tell me that Genghis Khan didn’t know how to assert himself. Or Tsao Tsao. Etc.

]]> By: 8Asians.com » Fatherhood, Time, and Success http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-125062 8Asians.com » Fatherhood, Time, and Success Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:01:26 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-125062 [...] we have talked about the lack of Asian-American CEOs and the glass ceiling, we haven’t discussed the price of “success” for those who [...] [...] we have talked about the lack of Asian-American CEOs and the glass ceiling, we haven’t discussed the price of “success” for those who [...]

]]> By: lazybye http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-128777 lazybye Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:27:38 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-128777 I didn't watch the segment, but it sounds like Yul Kwon is basically blaming the victim: if Asians can't move up in the business world, it's their own damn fault. I think he and many Asians realize there is more to it than that--i.e. plain racism, but he can't get up on CNN and say that and expect to be invited back. Several thousand silicon valley firms have been founded by Asians, and many of the most well-known ones have been headed by Asians, like Nvidia, Yahoo and Garmin, so I don't think there's really a dearth of Asians who have leadership skills. On the contrary, many white CEO's like Eric Schmidt of Google or Larry Ellison of Oracle don't seem to be the most personable or dynamic or even likable people, yet all the same they've been successful. I have actually read parts of Jane Hyun's book The Bamboo Ceiling and she basically says the same thing, that it's Asians' fault. Now I know there is an ounce of truth to this, but to fail to discuss the other part--institutional racism--is kind of lazy if not outright cowardly. I wish more Asians would just come out and say it, that much of America still thinks we're foreigners and outsiders, and that's why they don't think of us a appropriate in leadership positions. I didn't watch the segment, but it sounds like Yul Kwon is basically blaming the victim: if Asians can't move up in the business world, it's their own damn fault. I think he and many Asians realize there is more to it than that–i.e. plain racism, but he can't get up on CNN and say that and expect to be invited back. Several thousand silicon valley firms have been founded by Asians, and many of the most well-known ones have been headed by Asians, like Nvidia, Yahoo and Garmin, so I don't think there's really a dearth of Asians who have leadership skills. On the contrary, many white CEO's like Eric Schmidt of Google or Larry Ellison of Oracle don't seem to be the most personable or dynamic or even likable people, yet all the same they've been successful. I have actually read parts of Jane Hyun's book The Bamboo Ceiling and she basically says the same thing, that it's Asians' fault. Now I know there is an ounce of truth to this, but to fail to discuss the other part–institutional racism–is kind of lazy if not outright cowardly. I wish more Asians would just come out and say it, that much of America still thinks we're foreigners and outsiders, and that's why they don't think of us a appropriate in leadership positions.

]]> By: lazybye http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-125037 lazybye Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:27:38 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-125037 I didn't watch the segment, but it sounds like Yul Kwon is basically blaming the victim: if Asians can't move up in the business world, it's their own damn fault. I think he and many Asians realize there is more to it than that--i.e. plain racism, but he can't get up on CNN and say that and expect to be invited back. Several thousand silicon valley firms have been founded by Asians, and many of the most well-known ones have been headed by Asians, like Nvidia, Yahoo and Garmin, so I don't think there's really a dearth of Asians who have leadership skills. On the contrary, many white CEO's like Eric Schmidt of Google or Larry Ellison of Oracle don't seem to be the most personable or dynamic or even likable people, yet all the same they've been successful. I have actually read parts of Jane Hyun's book The Bamboo Ceiling and she basically says the same thing, that it's Asians' fault. Now I know there is an ounce of truth to this, but to fail to discuss the other part--institutional racism--is kind of lazy if not outright cowardly. I wish more Asians would just come out and say it, that much of America still thinks we're foreigners and outsiders, and that's why they don't think of us a appropriate in leadership positions. I didn't watch the segment, but it sounds like Yul Kwon is basically blaming the victim: if Asians can't move up in the business world, it's their own damn fault. I think he and many Asians realize there is more to it than that–i.e. plain racism, but he can't get up on CNN and say that and expect to be invited back. Several thousand silicon valley firms have been founded by Asians, and many of the most well-known ones have been headed by Asians, like Nvidia, Yahoo and Garmin, so I don't think there's really a dearth of Asians who have leadership skills. On the contrary, many white CEO's like Eric Schmidt of Google or Larry Ellison of Oracle don't seem to be the most personable or dynamic or even likable people, yet all the same they've been successful. I have actually read parts of Jane Hyun's book The Bamboo Ceiling and she basically says the same thing, that it's Asians' fault. Now I know there is an ounce of truth to this, but to fail to discuss the other part–institutional racism–is kind of lazy if not outright cowardly. I wish more Asians would just come out and say it, that much of America still thinks we're foreigners and outsiders, and that's why they don't think of us a appropriate in leadership positions.

]]> By: 8Asians.com » Peering Through The Glass Ceiling http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-116428 8Asians.com » Peering Through The Glass Ceiling Thu, 19 Mar 2009 03:32:48 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-116428 [...] 8asians has of course covered this topic of Asians and the glass ceiling in a previous posting, noting that Asians hold only 12 percent of managerial positions, but are 30% of the population in Silicon Valley. This study looked at all managerial positions, and if you compare it with my company, you’d find it’s probably accurate, as there are a fair number of Asian managers in my company, just none at the director level and above, outside of engineering (myself excepted). [...] [...] 8asians has of course covered this topic of Asians and the glass ceiling in a previous posting, noting that Asians hold only 12 percent of managerial positions, but are 30% of the population in Silicon Valley. This study looked at all managerial positions, and if you compare it with my company, you’d find it’s probably accurate, as there are a fair number of Asian managers in my company, just none at the director level and above, outside of engineering (myself excepted). [...]

]]> By: 8Asians.com » Japanese Americans explore the power of ethnic networks in Silicon Valley http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-114631 8Asians.com » Japanese Americans explore the power of ethnic networks in Silicon Valley Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:23:21 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-114631 [...] that although Asian Americans represent 30 percent of technology professionals in Silicon Valley, only around 12 percent of managerial positions are held by Asian Americans compared with 80 percent .... Best of luck to N! Leadership Network in expanding and promoting a high quality business network [...] [...] that although Asian Americans represent 30 percent of technology professionals in Silicon Valley, only around 12 percent of managerial positions are held by Asian Americans compared with 80 percent …. Best of luck to N! Leadership Network in expanding and promoting a high quality business network [...]

]]> By: 888 Society | Study: Americans Expect Business Leaders to Be White http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-113482 888 Society | Study: Americans Expect Business Leaders to Be White Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:15:57 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-113482 [...] Do Asian Americans suffer from stereotypes in the business world? Of course we do; after attending business school, I joined a Silicon Valley software company as a product manager and attended a lot of trade shows during my first year (just as the tech boom became a bust). Inevitably, people would ask me at the show booth or in meetings, if I was an engineer on the product and I would have to correct their presumption that I was in fact, a product manager (though I did used to be a mechanical design engineer in the aerospace industry.) I found this an odd question, since most companies did not bring any engineers to any of the trade shows (business travel was something new to me prior to becoming a product manager). Quiet, non-confrontational, back office software engineers is what I think most Silicon Valley folks perceive Asian Americans to be. But we can and are much more - but may be brainwashed to think otherwise. I’ve blogged before about the an Asian glass ceiling. [...] [...] Do Asian Americans suffer from stereotypes in the business world? Of course we do; after attending business school, I joined a Silicon Valley software company as a product manager and attended a lot of trade shows during my first year (just as the tech boom became a bust). Inevitably, people would ask me at the show booth or in meetings, if I was an engineer on the product and I would have to correct their presumption that I was in fact, a product manager (though I did used to be a mechanical design engineer in the aerospace industry.) I found this an odd question, since most companies did not bring any engineers to any of the trade shows (business travel was something new to me prior to becoming a product manager). Quiet, non-confrontational, back office software engineers is what I think most Silicon Valley folks perceive Asian Americans to be. But we can and are much more – but may be brainwashed to think otherwise. I’ve blogged before about the an Asian glass ceiling. [...]

]]> By: 8Asians.com » An Interview with Jen-Hsun Huang, CEO Nvidia: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-112530 8Asians.com » An Interview with Jen-Hsun Huang, CEO Nvidia: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:01:14 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/05/15/cnn-american-morning-an-asian-glass-ceiling/#comment-112530 [...] a few years back; he’s down-to-earth and approachable.  I asked Huang about the perceived glass ceiling in corporate America for Asian Americans and what we could do to break the ceiling. His advice: to be authentic, be true [...] [...] a few years back; he’s down-to-earth and approachable.  I asked Huang about the perceived glass ceiling in corporate America for Asian Americans and what we could do to break the ceiling. His advice: to be authentic, be true [...]

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