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		<title>By: sagat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sagat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow so many comments but on the whole constructive. I won&#039;t add anything that has already been said:) i believe everybody&#039;s intentions were genuine and honest and the end result came up very differently from what they had intended it to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow so many comments but on the whole constructive. I won&#8217;t add anything that has already been said:) i believe everybody&#8217;s intentions were genuine and honest and the end result came up very differently from what they had intended it to.</p>
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		<title>By: Chook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed that the last comment on this topic is dated Aug 7th so I hope I&#039;m not too late to post a comment. Any challenge to Asian reactions to perceived racism is a good thing as it should lead to deeper reflection on the East Asian experience in the west.  Growing up in ANY western country, East Asian children WILL experience at least one of the following, racial harrassment, name calling, bullying, beatings, playground intimidation, social isolation, being spat on, exclusion and hatred. All of this because of a flap of skin called an epicanthic fold that covers the outer corner of their eyes. For the most part this type of experience will continue for these kids all the way through high school. Often the teachers and adults who are entrusted with the safety and security of these kids will turn a blind eye to the near constant harrassment, furthering the sense of disconnectedness of the victims.
  The harrassment does not stop when these kids complete their school day. At home watching the television they are treated to sight of &quot;Celebrities&quot; like Rosie O&#039;Donnell offering their ignorant and stupid &quot;impersonations&quot; of &quot; how an Asian person speaks&quot;. Then the news comes on informing these kids of how &quot;we&quot; MUST stop the Chinese before they &quot;overwhelm us&quot; and that the rapacious appetites of 1.3 billion Chinese are  destroying the environment, conveniently forgetting to remind us that it is the 150 years of European and U.S industrial environmental irresponsibility  that have actually caused these problems.
  In short East Asian children are attacked physically and emotionally at school. They are bombarded with negative and often hateful images of Asians throughout the media that come right into their homes. Asians experience a constant stream hostility in the most mundane ways.In effect Asians are conditioned to think of themselves in very demeaning ways and the western society they are a part of is all too happy to help them with this process.   
 So, to get back to the issue. Are images such as the one under discussion racist?  In a healthy society the answer is no. But, we don&#039;t live in a healthy society - at least it isn&#039;t healthy if you&#039;re an East Asian. I cringe at these images because I know that someone somewhere is going to be empowered to harrass, bully or attack one of our kids. And not just our kids, adults aren&#039;t excepted. 
  For the German gentleman to suggest that these images are no different than images of blond caucasians in the media is plainly naive. No-one is going look at an image of a blond advertiser and be motivated or given ammunition to attack or harrasss blonds or any other caucasian. It just won&#039;t happen. 
  Are these images responsible for the racism experienced in our communities? Well...yes and no. They may not cause people to be xenophobic but they make it acceptable to demean the target group. And that&#039;s the main issue. Asians are a target group. Targets of xenophobic fear that strong Asian economies will destroy western economic and military superiority. Targets of xenophobic fear that our work ethic is so potent as to destroy all competition. Targets of envy that Asians are able to succeed economically as a minority in a minority distrustful culture. Targets of every unfunny and uninspired comedian who just has to pick on the East Asians to get the audience on their side. TARGETS. 
 This image and others like it are simply the tip of the ice-berg. What they reflect is a fear and distrust so ingrained that the perpertrators of such images are genuinely surprised when there is a negative reaction to it. What they reflect is a disdain and disregard so ingrained in the culture that to express it in this way is considered normal. 
 Do Asians overreact to this type thing? Again...yes and no. No because the reaction may be a visceral revulsion that this hostility has followed them into adulthood. Yes because this isn&#039;t the real battle. The real battle is the fight against our de-humanisation. Much of what is written, shown, discussed and opined about East Asians in the west depicts us as monolithic automatons with no individual characteristics and therefore unlikeable and having nothing in common with &quot;individualistic&quot; humanity of westerners.   Because of this Asians are typically shown in movies as being extremely expendable with little value shown for Asian life. As a modern storytelling medium, movies are an important gauge of the mood of a culture, and this culture just does not like Asians and is not afraid to let it be known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed that the last comment on this topic is dated Aug 7th so I hope I&#8217;m not too late to post a comment. Any challenge to Asian reactions to perceived racism is a good thing as it should lead to deeper reflection on the East Asian experience in the west.  Growing up in ANY western country, East Asian children WILL experience at least one of the following, racial harrassment, name calling, bullying, beatings, playground intimidation, social isolation, being spat on, exclusion and hatred. All of this because of a flap of skin called an epicanthic fold that covers the outer corner of their eyes. For the most part this type of experience will continue for these kids all the way through high school. Often the teachers and adults who are entrusted with the safety and security of these kids will turn a blind eye to the near constant harrassment, furthering the sense of disconnectedness of the victims.<br />
  The harrassment does not stop when these kids complete their school day. At home watching the television they are treated to sight of &#8220;Celebrities&#8221; like Rosie O&#8217;Donnell offering their ignorant and stupid &#8220;impersonations&#8221; of &#8221; how an Asian person speaks&#8221;. Then the news comes on informing these kids of how &#8220;we&#8221; MUST stop the Chinese before they &#8220;overwhelm us&#8221; and that the rapacious appetites of 1.3 billion Chinese are  destroying the environment, conveniently forgetting to remind us that it is the 150 years of European and U.S industrial environmental irresponsibility  that have actually caused these problems.<br />
  In short East Asian children are attacked physically and emotionally at school. They are bombarded with negative and often hateful images of Asians throughout the media that come right into their homes. Asians experience a constant stream hostility in the most mundane ways.In effect Asians are conditioned to think of themselves in very demeaning ways and the western society they are a part of is all too happy to help them with this process.<br />
 So, to get back to the issue. Are images such as the one under discussion racist?  In a healthy society the answer is no. But, we don&#8217;t live in a healthy society &#8211; at least it isn&#8217;t healthy if you&#8217;re an East Asian. I cringe at these images because I know that someone somewhere is going to be empowered to harrass, bully or attack one of our kids. And not just our kids, adults aren&#8217;t excepted.<br />
  For the German gentleman to suggest that these images are no different than images of blond caucasians in the media is plainly naive. No-one is going look at an image of a blond advertiser and be motivated or given ammunition to attack or harrasss blonds or any other caucasian. It just won&#8217;t happen.<br />
  Are these images responsible for the racism experienced in our communities? Well&#8230;yes and no. They may not cause people to be xenophobic but they make it acceptable to demean the target group. And that&#8217;s the main issue. Asians are a target group. Targets of xenophobic fear that strong Asian economies will destroy western economic and military superiority. Targets of xenophobic fear that our work ethic is so potent as to destroy all competition. Targets of envy that Asians are able to succeed economically as a minority in a minority distrustful culture. Targets of every unfunny and uninspired comedian who just has to pick on the East Asians to get the audience on their side. TARGETS.<br />
 This image and others like it are simply the tip of the ice-berg. What they reflect is a fear and distrust so ingrained that the perpertrators of such images are genuinely surprised when there is a negative reaction to it. What they reflect is a disdain and disregard so ingrained in the culture that to express it in this way is considered normal.<br />
 Do Asians overreact to this type thing? Again&#8230;yes and no. No because the reaction may be a visceral revulsion that this hostility has followed them into adulthood. Yes because this isn&#8217;t the real battle. The real battle is the fight against our de-humanisation. Much of what is written, shown, discussed and opined about East Asians in the west depicts us as monolithic automatons with no individual characteristics and therefore unlikeable and having nothing in common with &#8220;individualistic&#8221; humanity of westerners.   Because of this Asians are typically shown in movies as being extremely expendable with little value shown for Asian life. As a modern storytelling medium, movies are an important gauge of the mood of a culture, and this culture just does not like Asians and is not afraid to let it be known.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is my understanding that it may also be applied to recover damages for severe emotional distress, manifest as the &quot;eggshell psyche&quot; rule. Recovery isn&#039;t granted often, but in really horrific situations, a court may. There are a few very recent cases in which damages were granted under some semblance of the &quot;eggshell psyche&quot; rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is my understanding that it may also be applied to recover damages for severe emotional distress, manifest as the &#8220;eggshell psyche&#8221; rule. Recovery isn&#8217;t granted often, but in really horrific situations, a court may. There are a few very recent cases in which damages were granted under some semblance of the &#8220;eggshell psyche&#8221; rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 19:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the eggshell skull rule only apply in cases of battery? Emotional distress, not so much...

Okay, I&#039;m nitpicking.

Ugh. So. Long. Ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the eggshell skull rule only apply in cases of battery? Emotional distress, not so much&#8230;</p>
<p>Okay, I&#8217;m nitpicking.</p>
<p>Ugh. So. Long. Ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Akrypti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akrypti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 16:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Klaus,

The Mister Wong logo didn&#039;t offend or enrage me. When I first saw it, I cringed to myself and thought, &quot;oy. NOT cool.&quot; Let&#039;s say none of this exploded as it did and the logo was still in use when Mister Wong hit the U.S. I personally would not have utilized the site. However, like I said, I was not enraged in any way, so I was not up to the point analogous to your hypotheticals where I would have &quot;called 911.&quot; My post simply stated that I *understand* why Ernie and some others in my community would be deeply offended by it.

Forget what a &quot;politically correct&quot; drawing of an Asian man or a Black man or a Latino man might be. Let&#039;s just talk about where our political climate is at today and race relations in America. I don&#039;t disagree with Europeans when they say America is one f*cked up place right now. It is. And race relations here aren&#039;t at a point yet where a non-Asian person can draw a caricature like Mister Wong who is supposed to be an Asian person and exect Asian people not to get offended. Like you said, it&#039;s simply our political climate. It&#039;s not okay here. That&#039;s all there is to it. 

Like what Courageous Kiwi said in a comment to Ernie earlier -- Maybe from a purely objective point of view, there isn&#039;t anything per se wrong with the cartoon and certainly we now understand there was no malice. But here in America, neither Kiwi nor I would be okay with that logo today. We probably won&#039;t be okay with that logo tomorrow either, or the next day. But maybe someday, the serious part of life won&#039;t be so bad that we cannot appreciate the funny parts. For now, it&#039;s still too serious for it to be funny, just like how if you tried making a sexual abuse joke to a rape victim, she probably won&#039;t find it too funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Klaus,</p>
<p>The Mister Wong logo didn&#8217;t offend or enrage me. When I first saw it, I cringed to myself and thought, &#8220;oy. NOT cool.&#8221; Let&#8217;s say none of this exploded as it did and the logo was still in use when Mister Wong hit the U.S. I personally would not have utilized the site. However, like I said, I was not enraged in any way, so I was not up to the point analogous to your hypotheticals where I would have &#8220;called 911.&#8221; My post simply stated that I *understand* why Ernie and some others in my community would be deeply offended by it.</p>
<p>Forget what a &#8220;politically correct&#8221; drawing of an Asian man or a Black man or a Latino man might be. Let&#8217;s just talk about where our political climate is at today and race relations in America. I don&#8217;t disagree with Europeans when they say America is one f*cked up place right now. It is. And race relations here aren&#8217;t at a point yet where a non-Asian person can draw a caricature like Mister Wong who is supposed to be an Asian person and exect Asian people not to get offended. Like you said, it&#8217;s simply our political climate. It&#8217;s not okay here. That&#8217;s all there is to it. </p>
<p>Like what Courageous Kiwi said in a comment to Ernie earlier &#8212; Maybe from a purely objective point of view, there isn&#8217;t anything per se wrong with the cartoon and certainly we now understand there was no malice. But here in America, neither Kiwi nor I would be okay with that logo today. We probably won&#8217;t be okay with that logo tomorrow either, or the next day. But maybe someday, the serious part of life won&#8217;t be so bad that we cannot appreciate the funny parts. For now, it&#8217;s still too serious for it to be funny, just like how if you tried making a sexual abuse joke to a rape victim, she probably won&#8217;t find it too funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 15:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>akrypti, a few comments:

You spoke of &quot;unproductive and clearly abusive&quot; comments. But that is precisely what the criticism at 8Asians can be labeled: Rather than constructive, it was purely and entirely destructive. It provided not alternative suggestions whatsoever.

Second, you write:
&quot;Here, Asians did NOT overreact. What appears to be our hypersensitivity really evinces our lingering pain from an enduring history of oppression, the subjection of our forefathers to coolie status, and memories of playground teasing when white kids pulled their eyelids taut and ran after the Asian kids yelling “ching chong ching.”&quot;

This is a strawman argument. A history of oppression doesn&#039;t justify letting out the feelings against third parties. The only &quot;justification&quot; not to call this an overreaction is to declare all whites equally responsible. Then, however, the racism would be flat square on your part. This is precisely the problem with your A&amp;F comparison. A&amp;F is a US companie, and if it doesn&#039;t take into account oppression in the US, then it can very well be criticised. But Mr Wong isn&#039;t. 

You write:
&quot;While I thank Mister Wong’s web team for taking substantial steps to alleviate and mediate, the overtly insulting responses to Ernie’s post were not constructive in any way whatsoever and only showed just how necessary it was for 8Asians to air our disturbance in an open marketplace of ideas.&quot;

Sorry, but to expect constructive replies, it would be wise to voice constructive criticism. Ernie didn&#039;t do that, and for precisely that fact, he received the reactions he called for.

&quot;No one is asking anyone to become an expert in Asian American history. However, even if you don’t understand someone else’s pain, when that person is clearly in pain because of something you did even if you didn’t mean to do anything, shouldn’t you nevertheless take a step back and reflect?&quot;

But that&#039;s something entirely different than what happened here. 
I&#039;ll take your own example:

&quot;Recall the case I raised in the post about the woman at UVA who sued a professor for battery and pain and suffering because he tapped her on the shoulder during class. It’s not socially unacceptable per se to tap someone on her shoulder. But this particular woman suffered from sexual abuse and rape. The tapping on her shoulder reminded her of her nightmarish past and she suffered severe emotional distress because of it. She overreacted, right? All he did was tap her on the shoulder. The professor meant no harm. I don’t get it. Why did she go postal?&quot;

You state yourself &quot;It&#039;&#039;s not socially unacceptable per se to tap someone on her shoulder&quot;. That being the case, if someone is tapped on her shoulder and goes postal, the act STILL is socially acceptable. And no one will have any understanding whatsoever to suggest that tapping someone on the shoulder is something else than socially unacceptable. You apparently fail to realize that the campaign about Mr. Wong is precisely declaring sad tapping socially unacceptable. It has been said on and on and on here &quot;How could they&quot;, &quot;They should have known&quot; and the effect of the campaign, namely the complete and utter abolition of the logo, not just for the US, but worldwide, has been hailed. It has even been declared a sound business decision although business-wise, it likely was a piss-poor decision, alienating more customers than it will produce new ones.

@Jesse -sorry if I get a bit more direct now, but you receive as you dish out:
&quot;Therefore, you can’t make the “reverse racism” argument, the power and offense is JUST NOT THE SAME. &quot;

Sorry, but that&#039;s complete and utter BS. Prejudice remains prejudice, whether it produces a visible effect or not. A lie is a lie is a lie. The pain felt because of it might differ, but that doesn&#039;t make a truth out of a lie. And it takes for some pretty weird logic to suggest otherwise. What&#039;s worse, you demonstrate a complete failure of grasping the consequences of racism -because they are bad not just for the victims, but for the perpetrators as well -just on different levels- and in both doing so AND ignoring the issue of truth vs. falsehood, you deprive yourself of most arguments against racism altogether. You even ignore that plenty of Asians have serious issues with racism on part of Japan -just ask some of the foreign maids there. To suggest that racism is only racism when perpetrated by white people is ridiculous crap. 

You bitch and moan and insult Asians living in Germany and completely ignore the fact that Mr. Wong has also been around in Chinese. Only that tiny minority who actually voices a complaint has the right to be taken as a ledger. And because you say so, that has to be true. You declare a lot of stuff complete and utter bullshit, but the most bullshit I have seen from you. Your lecturing on European history is lagging by about 100 years. The fact that you call it a &quot;damn good hegemony&quot; that is perceived as malicious occupation by all too many on the receiving side only suggests that you&#039;re not quite honest about &quot;seeing things from the other perspective&quot;, respectively seeing it only as valid for anyone else. This, however, is precisely the attitude that leads to the oppression cited by akrypti, to colonialism and all its nasty consequences.

Racism isn&#039;t abolished by one side trying to see things from the other perspective, but by EVERYONE reaching out towards each other. Anyone who promotes anything else, sorry to say, is only promoting one thing: racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>akrypti, a few comments:</p>
<p>You spoke of &#8220;unproductive and clearly abusive&#8221; comments. But that is precisely what the criticism at 8Asians can be labeled: Rather than constructive, it was purely and entirely destructive. It provided not alternative suggestions whatsoever.</p>
<p>Second, you write:<br />
&#8220;Here, Asians did NOT overreact. What appears to be our hypersensitivity really evinces our lingering pain from an enduring history of oppression, the subjection of our forefathers to coolie status, and memories of playground teasing when white kids pulled their eyelids taut and ran after the Asian kids yelling “ching chong ching.”&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a strawman argument. A history of oppression doesn&#8217;t justify letting out the feelings against third parties. The only &#8220;justification&#8221; not to call this an overreaction is to declare all whites equally responsible. Then, however, the racism would be flat square on your part. This is precisely the problem with your A&amp;F comparison. A&amp;F is a US companie, and if it doesn&#8217;t take into account oppression in the US, then it can very well be criticised. But Mr Wong isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>You write:<br />
&#8220;While I thank Mister Wong’s web team for taking substantial steps to alleviate and mediate, the overtly insulting responses to Ernie’s post were not constructive in any way whatsoever and only showed just how necessary it was for 8Asians to air our disturbance in an open marketplace of ideas.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but to expect constructive replies, it would be wise to voice constructive criticism. Ernie didn&#8217;t do that, and for precisely that fact, he received the reactions he called for.</p>
<p>&#8220;No one is asking anyone to become an expert in Asian American history. However, even if you don’t understand someone else’s pain, when that person is clearly in pain because of something you did even if you didn’t mean to do anything, shouldn’t you nevertheless take a step back and reflect?&#8221;</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s something entirely different than what happened here.<br />
I&#8217;ll take your own example:</p>
<p>&#8220;Recall the case I raised in the post about the woman at UVA who sued a professor for battery and pain and suffering because he tapped her on the shoulder during class. It’s not socially unacceptable per se to tap someone on her shoulder. But this particular woman suffered from sexual abuse and rape. The tapping on her shoulder reminded her of her nightmarish past and she suffered severe emotional distress because of it. She overreacted, right? All he did was tap her on the shoulder. The professor meant no harm. I don’t get it. Why did she go postal?&#8221;</p>
<p>You state yourself &#8220;It&#8217;&#8217;s not socially unacceptable per se to tap someone on her shoulder&#8221;. That being the case, if someone is tapped on her shoulder and goes postal, the act STILL is socially acceptable. And no one will have any understanding whatsoever to suggest that tapping someone on the shoulder is something else than socially unacceptable. You apparently fail to realize that the campaign about Mr. Wong is precisely declaring sad tapping socially unacceptable. It has been said on and on and on here &#8220;How could they&#8221;, &#8220;They should have known&#8221; and the effect of the campaign, namely the complete and utter abolition of the logo, not just for the US, but worldwide, has been hailed. It has even been declared a sound business decision although business-wise, it likely was a piss-poor decision, alienating more customers than it will produce new ones.</p>
<p>@Jesse -sorry if I get a bit more direct now, but you receive as you dish out:<br />
&#8220;Therefore, you can’t make the “reverse racism” argument, the power and offense is JUST NOT THE SAME. &#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, but that&#8217;s complete and utter BS. Prejudice remains prejudice, whether it produces a visible effect or not. A lie is a lie is a lie. The pain felt because of it might differ, but that doesn&#8217;t make a truth out of a lie. And it takes for some pretty weird logic to suggest otherwise. What&#8217;s worse, you demonstrate a complete failure of grasping the consequences of racism -because they are bad not just for the victims, but for the perpetrators as well -just on different levels- and in both doing so AND ignoring the issue of truth vs. falsehood, you deprive yourself of most arguments against racism altogether. You even ignore that plenty of Asians have serious issues with racism on part of Japan -just ask some of the foreign maids there. To suggest that racism is only racism when perpetrated by white people is ridiculous crap. </p>
<p>You bitch and moan and insult Asians living in Germany and completely ignore the fact that Mr. Wong has also been around in Chinese. Only that tiny minority who actually voices a complaint has the right to be taken as a ledger. And because you say so, that has to be true. You declare a lot of stuff complete and utter bullshit, but the most bullshit I have seen from you. Your lecturing on European history is lagging by about 100 years. The fact that you call it a &#8220;damn good hegemony&#8221; that is perceived as malicious occupation by all too many on the receiving side only suggests that you&#8217;re not quite honest about &#8220;seeing things from the other perspective&#8221;, respectively seeing it only as valid for anyone else. This, however, is precisely the attitude that leads to the oppression cited by akrypti, to colonialism and all its nasty consequences.</p>
<p>Racism isn&#8217;t abolished by one side trying to see things from the other perspective, but by EVERYONE reaching out towards each other. Anyone who promotes anything else, sorry to say, is only promoting one thing: racism.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 13:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jesse!:
It is even worse: North Germans have resentments against South Germans, West against East, suburbs against suburbs and so on. And in many villages you stay a foreigner for some generation even if your family comes from the next village just a few miles away. And truly this is similar everywhere in the world - in the US as well. 
But don&#039;t confuse passport and nationality or group. A Chinese in US may have a US passport, but still call himself a Chinese. And a Russian in Germany may have a German passport and still may be a Russian. Both is independent. 

And to see that you plan to go to Germany, but your knowledge about Germany is obviously very limited, is quite weird. Your citation (”we ARE Germans”) would hardly be heard in Germany before Soccer World Championship last year. Since WW2 Germans lack national consciousness and pride. You very rarely saw a German flag aside from official buildings and sentences like &quot;We are Germans&quot; or &quot;I am proud to be a German&quot; would immediately cast you to be weird or a nazi. This is caused by OUR history. You should now that and accept, that we are offended by being called racist (especially for a logo which here (!) is not racistic at all). 

First I thought about ignoring your comment at all, because of the sterotypes you heavily use. But maybe you do not know better. Sentences like:
&quot;...we Americans are trying to put our own history and lessons learned about racial strife on other countries… well you better damn well believe it. Call it hegemony if you will, but it’s a damned good kind of hegemony if you ask me.&quot;
are reasons for so-called Anti-Americanism in Europe. With this mind you will get interesting discussions here. 

I recommend you to read the following article, describing relation US-EU. It is a little bit off-topic here, but nice to read.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,478884,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jesse!:<br />
It is even worse: North Germans have resentments against South Germans, West against East, suburbs against suburbs and so on. And in many villages you stay a foreigner for some generation even if your family comes from the next village just a few miles away. And truly this is similar everywhere in the world &#8211; in the US as well.<br />
But don&#8217;t confuse passport and nationality or group. A Chinese in US may have a US passport, but still call himself a Chinese. And a Russian in Germany may have a German passport and still may be a Russian. Both is independent. </p>
<p>And to see that you plan to go to Germany, but your knowledge about Germany is obviously very limited, is quite weird. Your citation (”we ARE Germans”) would hardly be heard in Germany before Soccer World Championship last year. Since WW2 Germans lack national consciousness and pride. You very rarely saw a German flag aside from official buildings and sentences like &#8220;We are Germans&#8221; or &#8220;I am proud to be a German&#8221; would immediately cast you to be weird or a nazi. This is caused by OUR history. You should now that and accept, that we are offended by being called racist (especially for a logo which here (!) is not racistic at all). </p>
<p>First I thought about ignoring your comment at all, because of the sterotypes you heavily use. But maybe you do not know better. Sentences like:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;we Americans are trying to put our own history and lessons learned about racial strife on other countries… well you better damn well believe it. Call it hegemony if you will, but it’s a damned good kind of hegemony if you ask me.&#8221;<br />
are reasons for so-called Anti-Americanism in Europe. With this mind you will get interesting discussions here. </p>
<p>I recommend you to read the following article, describing relation US-EU. It is a little bit off-topic here, but nice to read.<br />
<a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,478884,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,478884,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Klaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@akrypti:
&gt; Silly Asian Americans are overreacting again.
Of course they are not overreacting, not the girl at UVA and not you seeing an open window. Because of your history this is obvious. But on the other hand, someone with a different background cannot understand this.

Let me continue and intensify your examples: When you see an open windows at night you get scared because the memory you have. If you call every time 911 because of the resulting danger, this makes sense for you, but for sure you will get a problem with the police soon. 

The woman who sued a professor after tapping may be right, because tapping is not acceptable for her. But maybe she is remembered as well, seeing a picture of an uniformed soldier. Can she sue the professor using a picture in his lecture? Or if she is reminded by the threat &quot;I&#039;ll be back!&quot;, can she sue TV station for showing the movie Terminator?

And finally: I understand, that you do not like the logo of Mr. Wong. How would a politically correct drawing of an Asian face look like? Is this possible at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@akrypti:<br />
&gt; Silly Asian Americans are overreacting again.<br />
Of course they are not overreacting, not the girl at UVA and not you seeing an open window. Because of your history this is obvious. But on the other hand, someone with a different background cannot understand this.</p>
<p>Let me continue and intensify your examples: When you see an open windows at night you get scared because the memory you have. If you call every time 911 because of the resulting danger, this makes sense for you, but for sure you will get a problem with the police soon. </p>
<p>The woman who sued a professor after tapping may be right, because tapping is not acceptable for her. But maybe she is remembered as well, seeing a picture of an uniformed soldier. Can she sue the professor using a picture in his lecture? Or if she is reminded by the threat &#8220;I&#8217;ll be back!&#8221;, can she sue TV station for showing the movie Terminator?</p>
<p>And finally: I understand, that you do not like the logo of Mr. Wong. How would a politically correct drawing of an Asian face look like? Is this possible at all?</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second the props to Jesse! So sometimes akrypti and I do agree ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second the props to Jesse! So sometimes akrypti and I do agree <img src='http://www.8asians.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: turkeydinner! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mister Wong Debate: Offended Asians, Germans and the Tyranny of Political Correctness</title>
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		<dc:creator>turkeydinner! &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Mister Wong Debate: Offended Asians, Germans and the Tyranny of Political Correctness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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