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		<title>By: NaricyDu</title>
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		<dc:creator>NaricyDu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2011 03:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@yippee1999 plese do write your &#039;long story&#039; here again. we want to share it!</description>
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		<title>By: yippee1999</title>
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		<dc:creator>yippee1999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 04:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this site sucks.  I just typed a whole message, clicked post comment, then signed in using google and poof, message disappeared.

 

anyway, long story short, so long as we continue to see clear &#039;trends&#039; in I/R dating, even in a melting pot such as NYC, it&#039;s clear that there&#039;s still lots of stereotyping and self-hate going on...people deciding who to date, and who NOT to date, based on race.  If that were NOT the case, we&#039;d see more variety in the I/R couples out there.  But you don&#039;t....it&#039;s the same old trends, esp in the yuppie/hipster nabes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this site sucks.  I just typed a whole message, clicked post comment, then signed in using google and poof, message disappeared.</p>
<p>anyway, long story short, so long as we continue to see clear &#8216;trends&#8217; in I/R dating, even in a melting pot such as NYC, it&#8217;s clear that there&#8217;s still lots of stereotyping and self-hate going on&#8230;people deciding who to date, and who NOT to date, based on race.  If that were NOT the case, we&#8217;d see more variety in the I/R couples out there.  But you don&#8217;t&#8230;.it&#8217;s the same old trends, esp in the yuppie/hipster nabes.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Jealous guys of other races trying to stop us getting White, Black, and Latina, girls. Take the good, and leave out the bad.&lt;br/&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Jealous guys of other races trying to stop us getting White, Black, and Latina, girls. Take the good, and leave out the bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Luv4theGame</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 01:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TKO</title>
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		<dc:creator>TKO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2011 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF! I am a Thai american living in the OC area, and I get white girls,latino, and black girls. Wanna Know Why? I try, repeatedly and there are no colors in the pursuit of happiness.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It doesn&#039;t matter what the media has stereotyped us asian to be like because I know I am not weak and feminine like those fictional figures. I do understand that about 1.89 in 5 asian guys that I see are skinny, feminine looking(girly hair cut), and passive, and feel sorry for them for living the stereotypical life of an asian. At least work out chopsticks! They are who they are, but it doesn&#039;t  forced me to conformed to that group. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If all skinny asians work out the stereotypes will vanished. Why bub? Working out will give you more confidence, more muscles, more authority, and a better view of the beach( I made that one up, the meaning is for you to figure out). Now, all the white girls will think &quot;Big muscle, Big house, Big Car, and Big wallet&quot; instead of small dick or fag( that&#039;s what my gfs(asian too) tell me about their first impression of asian and me HA!).&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Blah, blah, blah. I go for all girls that has a balanced of intelligent and looks, no matter their race because I am not solely attracted to race but to attraction itself. I will do what ever I please to make myself happy. I will not be limited and forced to live an asian life: asian+asian= again. Instead,&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;asian+ who ever i want = My Happiness.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My point is: Your life, Your move Sucka! ---&gt; dont ask me what this mean either, because it sounds good and fits with the points I have made.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF! I am a Thai american living in the OC area, and I get white girls,latino, and black girls. Wanna Know Why? I try, repeatedly and there are no colors in the pursuit of happiness.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter what the media has stereotyped us asian to be like because I know I am not weak and feminine like those fictional figures. I do understand that about 1.89 in 5 asian guys that I see are skinny, feminine looking(girly hair cut), and passive, and feel sorry for them for living the stereotypical life of an asian. At least work out chopsticks! They are who they are, but it doesn&#8217;t  forced me to conformed to that group. </p>
<p>If all skinny asians work out the stereotypes will vanished. Why bub? Working out will give you more confidence, more muscles, more authority, and a better view of the beach( I made that one up, the meaning is for you to figure out). Now, all the white girls will think &#8220;Big muscle, Big house, Big Car, and Big wallet&#8221; instead of small dick or fag( that&#8217;s what my gfs(asian too) tell me about their first impression of asian and me HA!).</p>
<p>Blah, blah, blah. I go for all girls that has a balanced of intelligent and looks, no matter their race because I am not solely attracted to race but to attraction itself. I will do what ever I please to make myself happy. I will not be limited and forced to live an asian life: asian+asian= again. Instead,</p>
<p>asian+ who ever i want = My Happiness.</p>
<p>My point is: Your life, Your move Sucka! &#8212;&gt; dont ask me what this mean either, because it sounds good and fits with the points I have made.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 11:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an  Asian-American Male myself, in my  opinion, there is nothing wrong with  the fact that more Asian Males are  increasingly starting relationships  with White Females.  The number of  Asian Male-White Female couples that  people see on the street are  increasing as time goes by as Asian Males  increasingly develop the  self-confidence, character traits, charisma,  and other qualities in men  that women value to be a steady provider and  someone skilled enough with  people to keep a long-term relationship  going, to start relationships  with White Females.  And also the numbers  of Asian Male-White Female  couples will gradually increase as White  Females find out that yes, many  Asian men are interested in them and  White Females in turn become  unafraid to take the initiative and show  their interest in Asian Men  and/or to return the interest shown by  Asian Men in them.

The  number of Asian  Males starting relationships with White Females and  females of other  races will only increase as more and more Asian Males  develop the  bravery and courage to overcome their previous fears and get  the guts  to just go for it and ask women of other races out on dates  whether  they succeed or fail at first.  And it will also increase as  enough  Asian Males develop enough adaptability skills to figure out the  reason  why they failed if they did not succeed at first in getting a  date  with a women of another race and so then change themselves so that  they  grow as people and improve themselves so that they take a different   approach so that they succeed the next time, and as they develop enough   persistency to keep on trying even if they do not initially succeed at   first.

As more and more Asian Males ask   White Women and women of other races out on dates, more and more Asian   Men will succeed in dating them and more and more Asian Men and White   Women and women of other races will see this, and the numbers of couples   will build up critical mass and more and more Asian Males and Women of   Other Races will do the same thing and it will have a rolling snowball   effect.  More and more Asian Males will succeed in starting   relationships with women of other races, and the numbers of Asian   Male-Females of Other Races couples will only increase as time goes by.    As the ancient Chinese used to say, sometimes you just have to “jump   into the open ocean”.  And as the old Western sayings go, “No guts, no   glory”, and “Fortune favors the brave.”

I   do think however, that Asian Men should not mind if White Men or other   races of men increasingly start relationships with Asian Women, even if   there are an extremely large number of such relationships and women of   other races don’t reciprocate as readily at first.  You can still  start  relationships with other races of women, you just have to  overcome  greater odds in order to do so.  But let us always keep peace  with one  another no matter what happens.  I believe that this should be  true even  if this causes many Asian Women to reject Asian Men and to  look down on  them and to put them down as unworthy of them also.  That  will never be  true for Asian Men and Asian Women and for Asian Men and  any other race  of women also, or for any woman individually.  I do not  think that if  this happens and Asian Women start making fun of Asian  Men, that Asian  Men should lower themselves to respond to and fight  back against Asian  Women who stoop down to that level to do such a  thing, because all it  means is that if there are no more Asian Women  who will start  relationships with Asian Men, that Asian Men will have  to start  relationships with women of other races instead of Asian  Women.  It may  be harder to do such a thing, and Asian Men may have to  adjust  themselves as people and grow and improve themselves as people  in order  to do such a thing and you may have to take yourself out of  your comfort  zone, but, as the increasing number of Asian Man-Women of  other Races  couples prove, it is possible.

I  also do  not think that Asian Men should mind White Men and men of  other races  starting relationships with Asian Women also because for  Asian Men who  believe in interracial relationships with Asian Men and  Women of Other  Races, it would be hypocritical for them to be against  Asian Female-Men  of Other Races relationships.  It would be a  double-standard and would  be forbidding others to do what Asian Men  want themselves, you’re  supposed to treat others the way you want to be  treated in life, and so  because it is wrong for Asian Men who are for  Asian Man-Women of Other  Races relationships to be against Asian  Woman-Men of Other Races  couples, I do not think that Asian Men should  be against it at all.  And  I think that the Asian Men who are against  such a thing and who are so  are just stressing themselves out over  something that they should not  mind at all.

Plus,  you could look at the  bright side and think of it this way, with so  many men of other races  starting so many relationships with Asian  Women, it causes women of  other races to think of Asian Men as possible  future partners for  themselves also, as likewise, many men of their  own race have found  Asian Women to be compatible partners with them as  well.  And Asian  Women-Men of Other Races couples cause women of other  races to start  think of starting future relationships with Asian Men  and cause them to  realize that an Asian partner might make a compatible  future mate for  them as well.  In fact, many White Men even know that  this effect  occurs, and so they try to stop other races of men from  starting  relationships with Asian Women so that they can prevent Asian  Men from  starting relationships with other races of women.  So, by  being against  Asian Women and Men of Other Races couples, you are just  taking away  other people’s freedom of choice which you should respect,  being racist  yourself, being a hypocrite and practicing, especially if  you are for  Asian Men starting relationships with Women of Other Races,  playing into  other people’s hands who are completely racist against  you without you  even realizing it, and just being self-destructive.

And   also, if Asian Men prefer other races of Women besides White Women,   then they should feel free to start relationships with other races of   Women as well, such as Black Women, Latina Women, Native American Women,   or non-East Asian Asian Women.  Many East Asian Men tell stories on  the  Internet that say that it is easier to start a relationship with a   Black Women or a Latina Women than it is to start a relationship with a   White Women, and deep down underneath it all, we are all equal, and  are  all attractive blessed races with something good to offer to the  others,  and to benefit others, with none being without worth or value,  and it  is a person’s own choice after all, and that right should be  respected.

Although  if an Asian Male  prefers only White Females, and  of course, if a White  Female prefers  only Asian Males, then it is their choice, and they both  should have  the freedom to choose to do whatever they want and they  should both  have their choices be respected without other people  interfering in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an  Asian-American Male myself, in my  opinion, there is nothing wrong with  the fact that more Asian Males are  increasingly starting relationships  with White Females.  The number of  Asian Male-White Female couples that  people see on the street are  increasing as time goes by as Asian Males  increasingly develop the  self-confidence, character traits, charisma,  and other qualities in men  that women value to be a steady provider and  someone skilled enough with  people to keep a long-term relationship  going, to start relationships  with White Females.  And also the numbers  of Asian Male-White Female  couples will gradually increase as White  Females find out that yes, many  Asian men are interested in them and  White Females in turn become  unafraid to take the initiative and show  their interest in Asian Men  and/or to return the interest shown by  Asian Men in them.</p>
<p>The  number of Asian  Males starting relationships with White Females and  females of other  races will only increase as more and more Asian Males  develop the  bravery and courage to overcome their previous fears and get  the guts  to just go for it and ask women of other races out on dates  whether  they succeed or fail at first.  And it will also increase as  enough  Asian Males develop enough adaptability skills to figure out the  reason  why they failed if they did not succeed at first in getting a  date  with a women of another race and so then change themselves so that  they  grow as people and improve themselves so that they take a different   approach so that they succeed the next time, and as they develop enough   persistency to keep on trying even if they do not initially succeed at   first.</p>
<p>As more and more Asian Males ask   White Women and women of other races out on dates, more and more Asian   Men will succeed in dating them and more and more Asian Men and White   Women and women of other races will see this, and the numbers of couples   will build up critical mass and more and more Asian Males and Women of   Other Races will do the same thing and it will have a rolling snowball   effect.  More and more Asian Males will succeed in starting   relationships with women of other races, and the numbers of Asian   Male-Females of Other Races couples will only increase as time goes by.    As the ancient Chinese used to say, sometimes you just have to “jump   into the open ocean”.  And as the old Western sayings go, “No guts, no   glory”, and “Fortune favors the brave.”</p>
<p>I   do think however, that Asian Men should not mind if White Men or other   races of men increasingly start relationships with Asian Women, even if   there are an extremely large number of such relationships and women of   other races don’t reciprocate as readily at first.  You can still  start  relationships with other races of women, you just have to  overcome  greater odds in order to do so.  But let us always keep peace  with one  another no matter what happens.  I believe that this should be  true even  if this causes many Asian Women to reject Asian Men and to  look down on  them and to put them down as unworthy of them also.  That  will never be  true for Asian Men and Asian Women and for Asian Men and  any other race  of women also, or for any woman individually.  I do not  think that if  this happens and Asian Women start making fun of Asian  Men, that Asian  Men should lower themselves to respond to and fight  back against Asian  Women who stoop down to that level to do such a  thing, because all it  means is that if there are no more Asian Women  who will start  relationships with Asian Men, that Asian Men will have  to start  relationships with women of other races instead of Asian  Women.  It may  be harder to do such a thing, and Asian Men may have to  adjust  themselves as people and grow and improve themselves as people  in order  to do such a thing and you may have to take yourself out of  your comfort  zone, but, as the increasing number of Asian Man-Women of  other Races  couples prove, it is possible.</p>
<p>I  also do  not think that Asian Men should mind White Men and men of  other races  starting relationships with Asian Women also because for  Asian Men who  believe in interracial relationships with Asian Men and  Women of Other  Races, it would be hypocritical for them to be against  Asian Female-Men  of Other Races relationships.  It would be a  double-standard and would  be forbidding others to do what Asian Men  want themselves, you’re  supposed to treat others the way you want to be  treated in life, and so  because it is wrong for Asian Men who are for  Asian Man-Women of Other  Races relationships to be against Asian  Woman-Men of Other Races  couples, I do not think that Asian Men should  be against it at all.  And  I think that the Asian Men who are against  such a thing and who are so  are just stressing themselves out over  something that they should not  mind at all.</p>
<p>Plus,  you could look at the  bright side and think of it this way, with so  many men of other races  starting so many relationships with Asian  Women, it causes women of  other races to think of Asian Men as possible  future partners for  themselves also, as likewise, many men of their  own race have found  Asian Women to be compatible partners with them as  well.  And Asian  Women-Men of Other Races couples cause women of other  races to start  think of starting future relationships with Asian Men  and cause them to  realize that an Asian partner might make a compatible  future mate for  them as well.  In fact, many White Men even know that  this effect  occurs, and so they try to stop other races of men from  starting  relationships with Asian Women so that they can prevent Asian  Men from  starting relationships with other races of women.  So, by  being against  Asian Women and Men of Other Races couples, you are just  taking away  other people’s freedom of choice which you should respect,  being racist  yourself, being a hypocrite and practicing, especially if  you are for  Asian Men starting relationships with Women of Other Races,  playing into  other people’s hands who are completely racist against  you without you  even realizing it, and just being self-destructive.</p>
<p>And   also, if Asian Men prefer other races of Women besides White Women,   then they should feel free to start relationships with other races of   Women as well, such as Black Women, Latina Women, Native American Women,   or non-East Asian Asian Women.  Many East Asian Men tell stories on  the  Internet that say that it is easier to start a relationship with a   Black Women or a Latina Women than it is to start a relationship with a   White Women, and deep down underneath it all, we are all equal, and  are  all attractive blessed races with something good to offer to the  others,  and to benefit others, with none being without worth or value,  and it  is a person’s own choice after all, and that right should be  respected.</p>
<p>Although  if an Asian Male  prefers only White Females, and  of course, if a White  Female prefers  only Asian Males, then it is their choice, and they both  should have  the freedom to choose to do whatever they want and they  should both  have their choices be respected without other people  interfering in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I have noticed and I think does have an effect on the interracial dating situation in this country, is that Asian males are on average a bit smaller and a bit lighter than all the other races.  In fact for the foreign born Asian male, they are only maybe a couple of inches taller than the average Western Female if not outright shorter.  The weight factor is skewed in the same way too.  So being Asian means that you are looking for a smaller women than average, and unfortunately this brings up another sore spot for me personally...

Which is that taller dudes tend to gravitate towards the smaller women out there, so the Asian male is basically caught in a demographic squeeze from two different demographic flying wedge formations!!!

Of course for the bigger Asian dudes out there, they have a much larger demographic pool to swim in and frankly the size factor is a huge factor.

So in summary it is harder being Asian and smaller than average and being less aggressive generally.  But once I hit my thirties, I became much more confident and waded into all the different pools and made out like a bandit.  Frankly I gave up on the Asian female pretty quickly after a certain point, because I have noticed that so many of them tend to be spoiled, petulant and frankly one dimensional in more ways than one.  I found the love of my life in my favorite country for women and tell all of my Asian friends to not bother with this demographic and just get out there and give everyone else a shot!  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I have noticed and I think does have an effect on the interracial dating situation in this country, is that Asian males are on average a bit smaller and a bit lighter than all the other races.  In fact for the foreign born Asian male, they are only maybe a couple of inches taller than the average Western Female if not outright shorter.  The weight factor is skewed in the same way too.  So being Asian means that you are looking for a smaller women than average, and unfortunately this brings up another sore spot for me personally&#8230;</p>
<p>Which is that taller dudes tend to gravitate towards the smaller women out there, so the Asian male is basically caught in a demographic squeeze from two different demographic flying wedge formations!!!</p>
<p>Of course for the bigger Asian dudes out there, they have a much larger demographic pool to swim in and frankly the size factor is a huge factor.</p>
<p>So in summary it is harder being Asian and smaller than average and being less aggressive generally.  But once I hit my thirties, I became much more confident and waded into all the different pools and made out like a bandit.  Frankly I gave up on the Asian female pretty quickly after a certain point, because I have noticed that so many of them tend to be spoiled, petulant and frankly one dimensional in more ways than one.  I found the love of my life in my favorite country for women and tell all of my Asian friends to not bother with this demographic and just get out there and give everyone else a shot!</p>
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		<title>By: Mayu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mayu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 08:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably because Koreans think that you&#039;re overweight. I&#039;m not going to lie, but Koreans prefer anorexic-thin girls, I&#039;ve had my fair share of stories from Korean friends. I&#039;ve had Korean friends who calls me fat (I&#039;m 5&quot;5 and 115pounds). Definitely not because of their shyness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably because Koreans think that you&#8217;re overweight. I&#8217;m not going to lie, but Koreans prefer anorexic-thin girls, I&#8217;ve had my fair share of stories from Korean friends. I&#8217;ve had Korean friends who calls me fat (I&#8217;m 5&#8243;5 and 115pounds). Definitely not because of their shyness.</p>
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