Comments on: What About Asians in the Empirical Analysis of Acting White? http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/ Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:43:09 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: multiethnic churches saying and doing different things : djchuang.com http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-97028 multiethnic churches saying and doing different things : djchuang.com Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:45:28 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-97028 [...] [update 8/31] Good grades means less friends for Blacks and Latinos. cf. The Fryer-Torelli paper, An Empirical Analysis of Acting White (PDF), has gained much attention and buzzworthiness among scholars in The Academy as of late, which found an inverse relationship between good grades and popularity among Blacks and Latinos. [ht: 8asians.com] [...] [...] [update 8/31] Good grades means less friends for Blacks and Latinos. cf. The Fryer-Torelli paper, An Empirical Analysis of Acting White (PDF), has gained much attention and buzzworthiness among scholars in The Academy as of late, which found an inverse relationship between good grades and popularity among Blacks and Latinos. [ht: 8asians.com] [...]

]]> By: 8Asians.com » Smart vs. cool: Culture, race and ethnicity in Silicon Valley schools: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-62550 8Asians.com » Smart vs. cool: Culture, race and ethnicity in Silicon Valley schools: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:57:42 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-62550 [...] 8Asians blogger Akrypti had blogged about the Harvard paper last August as well. I’ve always been interested in educational policy, especially at a national level, when [...] [...] 8Asians blogger Akrypti had blogged about the Harvard paper last August as well. I’ve always been interested in educational policy, especially at a national level, when [...]

]]> By: Nicole Lee http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30940 Nicole Lee Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:48:34 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30940 The funny thing is, I think quite a large number of "FOBs" and/or diasporic Asians are actually incredibly fluent in English, with decent grades to boot. Does that mean they were acting white even when they were back home in their Asian majority countries? This reminds me of when people used to act so surprised when I tell them I'm not American... The funny thing is, I think quite a large number of “FOBs” and/or diasporic Asians are actually incredibly fluent in English, with decent grades to boot. Does that mean they were acting white even when they were back home in their Asian majority countries?

This reminds me of when people used to act so surprised when I tell them I’m not American…

]]> By: Rob http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30900 Rob Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:19:32 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30900 Asian Americans always act white by always having a superiority complex towards overseas Asians and "FOBs." That's how we "act" white. I also find it funny that Asian Americans make fun of FOBs but get angry when non-Asians make fun of FOBs. Asian Americans always act white by always having a superiority complex towards overseas Asians and “FOBs.”

That’s how we “act” white.

I also find it funny that Asian Americans make fun of FOBs but get angry when non-Asians make fun of FOBs.

]]> By: Jesse! http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30853 Jesse! Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:52:21 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30853 woo! White Flight!!! my high school is mentioned in there! Go Lynbrook! woo! White Flight!!! my high school is mentioned in there! Go Lynbrook!

]]> By: courageous kiwi http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30837 courageous kiwi Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:32:40 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30837 It's probably because we Asians go out of our way to mimic European customs, at least in the United States. How many Asians do you know retain their ethnic names when they translate them to English? How many Asians hold European style weddings? The result of us trying so hard is the appearance of wanting too badly to assimilate to other Asians, and the name calling begins. Let's consider Indians (like, from India) in the United States. (I'm not going to get into the "Are Indians considered Asian" debate, because it's asinine) I've known a lot of Indians growing up and at work, and never have I heard of Indians accusing other Indians of acting White. Many Indians, even second or third generation Indians keep traditional names. To date, the Indian weddings I've been to have been traditional, complete with the groom riding on a horse, women and men in traditional Indian dress, and feet washing. Lots of feet washing. I'll end on the note that Asians want to move out of Chinatown not to be White, but to get away from the bullshit that is Chinatown. Chinatown in San Francisco is run by dirty Kuomintang backed Cantonese (who have no business in Taiwanese politics, I might add) and wealthy old school families who built their fortunes land speculating, who use their money to exploit newly immigrated Asians in America rather than helping them achieve success. I can't imagine Chinatown in any other major city being too dissimilar, and based on what I have heard, I am right. The people who move out and stay out are the ones that share my attitude towards Asians that cannibalize their own people: fuck that shit. It’s probably because we Asians go out of our way to mimic European customs, at least in the United States. How many Asians do you know retain their ethnic names when they translate them to English? How many Asians hold European style weddings? The result of us trying so hard is the appearance of wanting too badly to assimilate to other Asians, and the name calling begins.

Let’s consider Indians (like, from India) in the United States. (I’m not going to get into the “Are Indians considered Asian” debate, because it’s asinine) I’ve known a lot of Indians growing up and at work, and never have I heard of Indians accusing other Indians of acting White. Many Indians, even second or third generation Indians keep traditional names. To date, the Indian weddings I’ve been to have been traditional, complete with the groom riding on a horse, women and men in traditional Indian dress, and feet washing. Lots of feet washing.

I’ll end on the note that Asians want to move out of Chinatown not to be White, but to get away from the bullshit that is Chinatown. Chinatown in San Francisco is run by dirty Kuomintang backed Cantonese (who have no business in Taiwanese politics, I might add) and wealthy old school families who built their fortunes land speculating, who use their money to exploit newly immigrated Asians in America rather than helping them achieve success. I can’t imagine Chinatown in any other major city being too dissimilar, and based on what I have heard, I am right. The people who move out and stay out are the ones that share my attitude towards Asians that cannibalize their own people: fuck that shit.

]]> By: akrypti http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30820 akrypti Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:02:56 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30820 Hey Bertie, Your last comment raises a really good point that I wonder whether the authors of that paper considered. What about the Blacks and Latinos living in the suburbs? Class probably plays a significant role here, as significant if not more so than race. I'll admit I didn't read all 60-something pages word for word, but from my skimming of it, it doesn't look like the class issue comes up in any depth. Hey Bertie,
Your last comment raises a really good point that I wonder whether the authors of that paper considered. What about the Blacks and Latinos living in the suburbs? Class probably plays a significant role here, as significant if not more so than race. I’ll admit I didn’t read all 60-something pages word for word, but from my skimming of it, it doesn’t look like the class issue comes up in any depth.

]]> By: Bertie http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30804 Bertie Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:21:55 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30804 Akrypti: I was merely noting that, for people who attended high schools without a statistically significant amount of Asian-Americans, answering your question is impossible. Akrypti:

I was merely noting that, for people who attended high schools without a statistically significant amount of Asian-Americans, answering your question is impossible.

]]> By: John http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30779 John Wed, 29 Aug 2007 08:22:08 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30779 Readers might find this article interesting. It was highly controversial when it came out: The New White Flight The Wall Street Journal. NOVEMBER 19, 2005. In Silicon Valley, two high schools with outstanding academic reputations are losing white students as Asian students move in. Why? http://wsjclassroom.com/teen/teencenter/05nov_whiteflight.htm Readers might find this article interesting. It was highly controversial when it came out:

The New White Flight
The Wall Street Journal. NOVEMBER 19, 2005.
In Silicon Valley, two high schools with outstanding academic reputations are losing white students as Asian students move in. Why?
http://wsjclassroom.com/teen/teencenter/05nov_whiteflight.htm

]]> By: Mike http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/comment-page-1/#comment-30773 Mike Wed, 29 Aug 2007 05:53:43 +0000 http://www.8asians.com/2007/08/28/what-about-asians-in-the-empirical-analysis-of-acting-white/#comment-30773 @Akrypti, Hmm, good question. Here's a different way at looking at this (and sorry if I'm going off on a tangent here): What seems to be at the basis of friendships & cliques in high school are commonalities, be they proximity (living on the same block), interests (into the same video games), culture (practice the same traditions), etc. I could see grades correlating to some of these factors. Teens who have similar interests in playing chess may tend to have similar grades or studying habits, for instance. So do grades effect the number of friends you have (Asian or otherwise)? I think they could. If you were to apply popularity to these same factors, there may be loose correlations too. I'm no sociologist, but I tend to think that what's popular in one school is different than what's popular in another - and perhaps what's popular is somewhat defined by what the local society believes & reinforces as popular. Or maybe it's all the media. @Akrypti,

Hmm, good question. Here’s a different way at looking at this (and sorry if I’m going off on a tangent here):

What seems to be at the basis of friendships & cliques in high school are commonalities, be they proximity (living on the same block), interests (into the same video games), culture (practice the same traditions), etc.

I could see grades correlating to some of these factors. Teens who have similar interests in playing chess may tend to have similar grades or studying habits, for instance. So do grades effect the number of friends you have (Asian or otherwise)? I think they could.

If you were to apply popularity to these same factors, there may be loose correlations too. I’m no sociologist, but I tend to think that what’s popular in one school is different than what’s popular in another – and perhaps what’s popular is somewhat defined by what the local society believes & reinforces as popular. Or maybe it’s all the media.

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