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		<title>By: (Post)Modernity and (Post)Colonialism &#171; Next Gener.Asian Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Post)Modernity and (Post)Colonialism &#171; Next Gener.Asian Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 04:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check out this article on 8Asians.com, &#8220;A Comment on Asian Christians&#8221;. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2007/09/04/a-comment-on-asian-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-31766</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nemogbr, Hahaha! &quot;Jedi!&quot; That&#039;s awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nemogbr, Hahaha! &#8220;Jedi!&#8221; That&#8217;s awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: 8 Asians &#187; A Comment on Asian Christians: A Friend&#8217;s Response</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2007/09/04/a-comment-on-asian-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-31765</link>
		<dc:creator>8 Asians &#187; A Comment on Asian Christians: A Friend&#8217;s Response</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 07:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was talking to a friend about Akrypti&#8217;s article &#8220;A Comment on Asian Christians earlier this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nemogbr</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2007/09/04/a-comment-on-asian-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-31554</link>
		<dc:creator>nemogbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Akrypti for this post. 

My family are strong Roman Catholics and they even attempted to get me to go to the seminary (priesthood)

The fact that my sister married a Muslim was a major scandal in the family.

Some of the research I&#039;ve done considers the Zen teachings of Jesus and Buddhism in Christianity.

I am spiritual rather than religious and have tended to place myself as &quot;Jedi&quot; when answering religious questions. 

Good for your well being and ensure you do not turn it into a crutch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Akrypti for this post. </p>
<p>My family are strong Roman Catholics and they even attempted to get me to go to the seminary (priesthood)</p>
<p>The fact that my sister married a Muslim was a major scandal in the family.</p>
<p>Some of the research I&#8217;ve done considers the Zen teachings of Jesus and Buddhism in Christianity.</p>
<p>I am spiritual rather than religious and have tended to place myself as &#8220;Jedi&#8221; when answering religious questions. </p>
<p>Good for your well being and ensure you do not turn it into a crutch.</p>
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		<title>By: djchuang</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2007/09/04/a-comment-on-asian-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-31522</link>
		<dc:creator>djchuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 03:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>akrypti, thank you for tackling this touchy and challenging topic. You may be surprised here, but I actually agree with most of your commentary about the colonialism of certain missionaries of the past (and present) and how negatively some self-professed Asian American Christians have impacted others. I do think personal religious convictions should be respected and yet I also think that religion can be and should be a topic to be discussed in the open public square in a civil manner. 

While religion ties into passionate zeal for some of a religion&#039;s followers, I believe that many are able to live out their religious faith with cordial respect for those of differing faiths. We live in a pluralistic diverse world, and I believe that one can be a follower of Christ and yet be respectful and caring for those who have a different faith, with no strings attached or covert intent to convert. And in that pluralistic world, I think increasing numbers of people are choosing their own religion rather than inheriting a religion from familial or cultural traditions by default. (Though, granted, a majority of people still learn their religious habits from their family of origin, just as they learn money habits too.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>akrypti, thank you for tackling this touchy and challenging topic. You may be surprised here, but I actually agree with most of your commentary about the colonialism of certain missionaries of the past (and present) and how negatively some self-professed Asian American Christians have impacted others. I do think personal religious convictions should be respected and yet I also think that religion can be and should be a topic to be discussed in the open public square in a civil manner. </p>
<p>While religion ties into passionate zeal for some of a religion&#8217;s followers, I believe that many are able to live out their religious faith with cordial respect for those of differing faiths. We live in a pluralistic diverse world, and I believe that one can be a follower of Christ and yet be respectful and caring for those who have a different faith, with no strings attached or covert intent to convert. And in that pluralistic world, I think increasing numbers of people are choosing their own religion rather than inheriting a religion from familial or cultural traditions by default. (Though, granted, a majority of people still learn their religious habits from their family of origin, just as they learn money habits too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Xxxtine</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2007/09/04/a-comment-on-asian-christians/comment-page-1/#comment-31484</link>
		<dc:creator>Xxxtine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s because I never went to university and never really participated in youth organizations much in my ... youth ... but I did go to All-Girl-Catholic-School which was actually situated right beside a convent of nuns.  And while it was all there, there was never that pressure to follow Catholicism - particularly also because there were many people that attended that followed different faiths as well.  In any case, we also learned about World Religions and were actually encouraged to question the faith - something I think Protestants frown upon - correct me if I&#039;m wrong.

I once dated a guy who came from such a Baptist community that he was &quot;one step away from churning his own butter&quot; - Asian too - but had separated himself because he started to question his belief in God.  Then, of course, when he met me, he got really confused because I told him that in my experience, you have to question your faith in order to find strength in it.

Generally when I come across someone like that, I can talk them into mind circles (which is kinda fun).  But I like Claire&#039;s answer - &quot;I&#039;m Catholic, we don&#039;t do that sort of thing.&quot; haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because I never went to university and never really participated in youth organizations much in my &#8230; youth &#8230; but I did go to All-Girl-Catholic-School which was actually situated right beside a convent of nuns.  And while it was all there, there was never that pressure to follow Catholicism &#8211; particularly also because there were many people that attended that followed different faiths as well.  In any case, we also learned about World Religions and were actually encouraged to question the faith &#8211; something I think Protestants frown upon &#8211; correct me if I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>I once dated a guy who came from such a Baptist community that he was &#8220;one step away from churning his own butter&#8221; &#8211; Asian too &#8211; but had separated himself because he started to question his belief in God.  Then, of course, when he met me, he got really confused because I told him that in my experience, you have to question your faith in order to find strength in it.</p>
<p>Generally when I come across someone like that, I can talk them into mind circles (which is kinda fun).  But I like Claire&#8217;s answer &#8211; &#8220;I&#8217;m Catholic, we don&#8217;t do that sort of thing.&#8221; haha</p>
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		<title>By: Chook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alot of what Akrypti writes is true - European and American Imperialism co-opted the religious fervor of their Christian missionaries as a way to pacify, disempower, and divide Asian tribes and peoples from one another. Much inhumanity has been exhibited by the West in the name of Cristianity towards Asia - especially East Asia. However, I do believe that in the teachings and life of Jesus are &quot;truths&quot; and realities that Asians (particularly those living as &quot;outsiders&quot; in the  West) can draw upon to find strength and motivation. The most potent weapon used by Christian imperialism was to portray Jesus as a meek and timid individual, and to hold this up as a model of how a &quot;good&quot; Christian should live. Of course the idea was to condition native peoples to be passive and not to resist colonization by other (European) &quot;Christians&quot;. In truth, the Jesus actually portrayed in the four Gospels is an extremely powerful and fearless revolutionary who wasn&#039;t afraid to speak up against hypocrisy and injustice even if it meant his own demise. He championed the rights of the underdog and the outcasts. He upheld the rights of and treated as equals any woman who was in his company at a time when women were considered mere property of their husbands or fathers. He promoted the concept of equality amongst all peoples. In short, throughout his entire ministry he fought against the current, and against all the odds. East Asians face a similar experience to the outcasts of Jesus&#039; time - in many ways we are the unwanted and cast out minority. We are often swimming against a current of media hostility and misrepresentation that seems to represent the mood of the entire nation. Jesus shows us the ways that we can be strong enough to stand up to any seemingly overwhelming oppression or injustice. 
I don&#039;t see any shame or betrayal in drawing inspiration from the life of Jesus. It&#039;s a powerful message of unrelenting will to see the rule of equality and  justice  in society.
I&#039;m not trying to be a missionary but a good idea is a good idea whether it comes from a white, yellow or black person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alot of what Akrypti writes is true &#8211; European and American Imperialism co-opted the religious fervor of their Christian missionaries as a way to pacify, disempower, and divide Asian tribes and peoples from one another. Much inhumanity has been exhibited by the West in the name of Cristianity towards Asia &#8211; especially East Asia. However, I do believe that in the teachings and life of Jesus are &#8220;truths&#8221; and realities that Asians (particularly those living as &#8220;outsiders&#8221; in the  West) can draw upon to find strength and motivation. The most potent weapon used by Christian imperialism was to portray Jesus as a meek and timid individual, and to hold this up as a model of how a &#8220;good&#8221; Christian should live. Of course the idea was to condition native peoples to be passive and not to resist colonization by other (European) &#8220;Christians&#8221;. In truth, the Jesus actually portrayed in the four Gospels is an extremely powerful and fearless revolutionary who wasn&#8217;t afraid to speak up against hypocrisy and injustice even if it meant his own demise. He championed the rights of the underdog and the outcasts. He upheld the rights of and treated as equals any woman who was in his company at a time when women were considered mere property of their husbands or fathers. He promoted the concept of equality amongst all peoples. In short, throughout his entire ministry he fought against the current, and against all the odds. East Asians face a similar experience to the outcasts of Jesus&#8217; time &#8211; in many ways we are the unwanted and cast out minority. We are often swimming against a current of media hostility and misrepresentation that seems to represent the mood of the entire nation. Jesus shows us the ways that we can be strong enough to stand up to any seemingly overwhelming oppression or injustice.<br />
I don&#8217;t see any shame or betrayal in drawing inspiration from the life of Jesus. It&#8217;s a powerful message of unrelenting will to see the rule of equality and  justice  in society.<br />
I&#8217;m not trying to be a missionary but a good idea is a good idea whether it comes from a white, yellow or black person.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 18:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Akrypti, it&#039;s too strange agreeing with you this much. :) This is a great topic! Growing up Catholic, I always got to bow out of the Asian Christian fellowship mafias by shrugging and saying, &quot;I&#039;m Catholic, we don&#039;t do that.&quot; On the other hand, growing up Catholic = a completely different set of fun baggage! In a way I envy Jesse&#039;s friend for coming to terms with the Catholization of the Phiippines. I certainly have not. Probably because unlike her, I don&#039;t know if there is a God (in the sense of The Big Guy Above) to love (and that, everyone, is the sound of my mother&#039;s heart breaking, sorry!). So let&#039;s say I have kids: I am completely torn because of course I&#039;d like to maintain the Filipino cultural identity...but what is that without Catholicism? I have no idea. That right there is the crux of why people should heed your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Akrypti, it&#8217;s too strange agreeing with you this much. <img src='http://www.8asians.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  This is a great topic! Growing up Catholic, I always got to bow out of the Asian Christian fellowship mafias by shrugging and saying, &#8220;I&#8217;m Catholic, we don&#8217;t do that.&#8221; On the other hand, growing up Catholic = a completely different set of fun baggage! In a way I envy Jesse&#8217;s friend for coming to terms with the Catholization of the Phiippines. I certainly have not. Probably because unlike her, I don&#8217;t know if there is a God (in the sense of The Big Guy Above) to love (and that, everyone, is the sound of my mother&#8217;s heart breaking, sorry!). So let&#8217;s say I have kids: I am completely torn because of course I&#8217;d like to maintain the Filipino cultural identity&#8230;but what is that without Catholicism? I have no idea. That right there is the crux of why people should heed your post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yay a hornet&#039;s nest!

Like what Ernie said, a good friend of mine is Filipino American and she has had to come to terms with the fact that while the Spanish conquered the PI&#039;s in the name of Christianity and all but obliterated the matriarchal local culture and religion, she is Christian and loves God.

Another story: My anthro prof (a Chinese Diasporic) told us the story of his aunt who &quot;converted&quot; from Buddhism to Protestantism AND Catholicism. When her husband died, she had a Buddhist blessing, a Catholic blessing and a perplexed Protestant pastor who told she couldn&#039;t have all three.

&quot;Why not? How do I know which religion is the right one, this way, I&#039;m covering all bases.&quot; I love me some Chinese logic! 

But the underlying argument, if one can be made, is your assumption that Christianity is a &quot;white&quot; religion. Sure that assessment can be made, but that would nullify the fact that it&#039;s a faith and instead cast it as some sort of cultural artifact. I tend to make that assumption myself, but what has to be remembered is that most self-identified Christians do not see their faith as anything other than The Truth and will not accept that atheist point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yay a hornet&#8217;s nest!</p>
<p>Like what Ernie said, a good friend of mine is Filipino American and she has had to come to terms with the fact that while the Spanish conquered the PI&#8217;s in the name of Christianity and all but obliterated the matriarchal local culture and religion, she is Christian and loves God.</p>
<p>Another story: My anthro prof (a Chinese Diasporic) told us the story of his aunt who &#8220;converted&#8221; from Buddhism to Protestantism AND Catholicism. When her husband died, she had a Buddhist blessing, a Catholic blessing and a perplexed Protestant pastor who told she couldn&#8217;t have all three.</p>
<p>&#8220;Why not? How do I know which religion is the right one, this way, I&#8217;m covering all bases.&#8221; I love me some Chinese logic! </p>
<p>But the underlying argument, if one can be made, is your assumption that Christianity is a &#8220;white&#8221; religion. Sure that assessment can be made, but that would nullify the fact that it&#8217;s a faith and instead cast it as some sort of cultural artifact. I tend to make that assumption myself, but what has to be remembered is that most self-identified Christians do not see their faith as anything other than The Truth and will not accept that atheist point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bertie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, those Asian Christians who would be so nice to you until you say &quot;sorry, not converting, but thanks for the free cookies.&quot; College. Good times. At some point, you just learn that you can get free lunches and candy if you just hang out with them a bit. If they have an ulterior motive in getting you to convert, I see no reason why I can&#039;t have an ulterior motive that was spearheaded by my tummy. Okay, kidding aside, some of them were downright scary. A friend of mine was told by the group to drop us heathens as friends, because we would lead her away from Christ. One day, she was walking with us when the Asian American fellowship gestapo was approaching from the opposite direction, and she turned and fled, lest she be seen out with us. And when another friend had the nerve to have an alcoholic drink, a group swooped in and staged an intervention. It was a potent mix of Asian shame, Christ, Mean Girls, Heathers, and the Spanish Inquisition.

(Ernie, I never understood why there were Chinese Christian fellowships in COLLEGE either. I can understand our parents wanting to find people of the same culture and everything, but people our generation? Why? [Taiwanese inside joke] So they can repeat &quot;Love Boat&quot;? [/Taiwanese inside joke] Heh.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, those Asian Christians who would be so nice to you until you say &#8220;sorry, not converting, but thanks for the free cookies.&#8221; College. Good times. At some point, you just learn that you can get free lunches and candy if you just hang out with them a bit. If they have an ulterior motive in getting you to convert, I see no reason why I can&#8217;t have an ulterior motive that was spearheaded by my tummy. Okay, kidding aside, some of them were downright scary. A friend of mine was told by the group to drop us heathens as friends, because we would lead her away from Christ. One day, she was walking with us when the Asian American fellowship gestapo was approaching from the opposite direction, and she turned and fled, lest she be seen out with us. And when another friend had the nerve to have an alcoholic drink, a group swooped in and staged an intervention. It was a potent mix of Asian shame, Christ, Mean Girls, Heathers, and the Spanish Inquisition.</p>
<p>(Ernie, I never understood why there were Chinese Christian fellowships in COLLEGE either. I can understand our parents wanting to find people of the same culture and everything, but people our generation? Why? [Taiwanese inside joke] So they can repeat &#8220;Love Boat&#8221;? [/Taiwanese inside joke] Heh.)</p>
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