I watched last night’s episode of 30 Rock last night, “Cougars” (Episode “207″). 30 Rock is “a workplace comedy where the workplace exists behind-the-scenes of a live variety show.” I find the show pretty entertaining and I especially like Alec Baldwin’s portrayal of GE / NBC executive Jack Donaghy.
In any case, one of the major plotlines was that Tina Fey’s character Liz Lemon (age: 37, but lied saying she was 29) going on a date with a younger guy in the office (coffee boy, page) (age: 20, but lied saying he was 25).
Here is the dialog when Liz is discussing her situation with one of her actresses on the show, Jenna:
Liz: “I can’t believe I did that, I told myself I would never lie about my age.”
Jenna: “These things happen Liz. I had my “no sex with Asians” rule, but then one day you walk into Sharper Image and there’s Kwon.”
Liz: “Forget it. I’m going to order some more coffee and then he’ll come back and I can cancel.”
Jenna: “No, this is a good thing. A hot guy thinks you’re 29.”
Liz: “Ah, he is cute. He looks like Zac Efron. That’s a thing, right?”
Jenna: “Oh go for it Liz. I always roll with it when hot guys think I am 22. What can we do?, we’re cougars.”
Liz: “We’re what?”
Jenna: “Cougars, hot older ladies pouncing on their young prey.”
Liz: “Uh…”
“No sex with Asians rule”? Like, WTF? Note, the character Jenna plays a fairly loose woman in 30 Rock, so I was wondering - why did they have to write that dialogue. Then again, I guess they could have replaced Asians with anybody else (black, Hispanic, Jews, fat people, etc… rule) and offended another group in the name of comedy. What do you think? You can watch the episode yourself here - “Cougars” (Episode “207″) - minute 7:00 for the dialogue above. Overall, it was a pretty damn funny episode.
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Xxxtine wrote:
As a person who works in the film and television industry and also a screenwriter, I actually would say that line of dialogue is really clever. I find that a lot of people tend to get caught up in the line and not the meaning of what it’s trying to imply. And while I’m not a regular viewer of 30 Rock, I do respect Tina Fey a lot because she has a very good understanding of the world around her. Much more so than I would give credit to many other people working in the industry … like being INSPIRED by True Events.
Posted on 01-Dec-07 at 4:24 am | Permalink
Jesse! wrote:
I’d have to agree her XXX above. And also say that sure, that line is funny and uncomfortable for all the reasons we’ve talk about regarding Asian portrayals in the media as well as the whole Asian male thang, but the line rings true to a white dude like me and also takes some steps to not be so garishly racist:
1) I have a friend, white woman, who got caught up in the Asian males stereotypes and found the nerdy, emasculated thing unattractive. And even uttered the sweeping phrase: “I don’t Asian men.” But then, she dates a dude who is not at all like that stereotype and guess what, he’s still Asian. I see a bit of that sorta thing in the dialog.
and 2) Use of the name Kwon and not like “Chang” or “Ping” or something like that (no offense to folks with those names, they’re just common is all). I liked that subtle detail. Also it was a Sharper Image, not a Chinese Restaurant of laundromat or other such ethnically specific place of business.
Posted on 01-Dec-07 at 12:14 pm | Permalink
yoko wrote:
Between that and the “sexy librarian look” dig, I don’t know what to think. ha!
Posted on 02-Dec-07 at 1:35 pm | Permalink
Ratrace wrote:
Wow, some YT thinks it’s okay and clever! Waht a surprise. Fuck off Crakkka! We all know why that line was in there. Because in Amerikkka it’s okay to be blatantly racist asgainst Asians in the media. This line is nothing more than just another in a long line of slags against Asians, many of which are without any kind of relevance to whatever the situation is. Try Black, Jew, or Hispanic and you’d get a lot of angry minorities protesting and many YT’s uncomfortably apologizing. Put in Asian and you get no backlash.
Posted on 02-Dec-07 at 6:41 pm | Permalink
Ratrace: So you’re flaming out commenter #2 because he’s white, when pretty much what he wrote was a “me too” to commenter #1, who was Asian? Disagree all you want, but don’t be an internet troll about it. Actually, I’m pretty much tired of your name calling and flame-baiting, so… yeah. No. Banned.
Posted on 02-Dec-07 at 11:49 pm | Permalink
Bertie wrote:
Tina Fey also wrote “Mean Girls” right? I think she understands the boundaries of racial humor and can provoke without being offensive. Remember that scene in Mean Girls where the narrator is describing the school cafeteria, and the narrator (Lindsay Lohan?) identifies all the cliques in the cafeteria? She goes through the list, “Preps. JV Jocks..” Then “Asian nerds” while showing a table full of geeky looking Asians.
And the first reaction is “WHAT THE EFF? Haven’t we moved on from Sixteen Candles?! Bad writers! Bad writers! Bad! Bad! Bad!”
But then the narrator quickly moves on and says, “Cool Asians” and cuts to a table of dressed-to-the-nines Asian princesses. The narrator then continues, “Unfriendly black hotties, girls who eat their feelings…” And you just have to crack up, because then you know she’s a lot more aware and “in on the joke” than most Hollywood writers.
Posted on 03-Dec-07 at 11:42 am | Permalink
John wrote:
Bertie -
Yes, Tina Fey wrote “Mean Girls,” but I never saw the movie, but have heard good things about it - I guess I’ll have to rent it. I know Tina Fey mostly because she was on Saturday Night Live for “Weekend Update.”
But like I wrote in the blog post, what really caught my eye for 30 Rock was Alec Baldwin’s portrayal of Jack Donaghy. I really liked the episode where he is supposedly secretly dating Condoleezza Rice.
Posted on 03-Dec-07 at 3:10 pm | Permalink
Xxxtine wrote:
I LOVED Mean Girls - and is one of the reasons why I love Tina Fey. Here is a smart, articulate, talented woman who thankfully tries her best to understand the world around her, and not the bubble she lives in.
Posted on 03-Dec-07 at 4:31 pm | Permalink
Roger wrote:
Get over it. The whole point of the dialog was that generalizations and stereotypes are dumb… and you’re reacting to it as if she simply stopped at “I have my ‘no sex with Asians’ rule.” and actually… SO WHAT IF SHE DID?!? I know lots of Asians who won’t date white (like a certain 8Asians blogger). Given the variety of roles that Asian Americans have in the media these days, including some really HOT roles… I personally don’t have an issue with this.
Posted on 04-Dec-07 at 6:30 am | Permalink
John wrote:
Roger, you talking about me? I’ll date Kiera Knightly, Natalie Portman or Uma Thurman :-).
Posted on 04-Dec-07 at 3:15 pm | Permalink
asianannoyed wrote:
I have a suggestion for the responsible well being that is Hollywood.
How about “No comments about ethnic on tv rule”, I was also watching this show when that line seem to spark a fire.
Asian should avoid america’s media limelight as far as im’ concerned, it does us more harms than good.
If Asian wants to take care of business like the jews..they should spend money on a PR blitz, buying up more hollywood properties and shutting them up. The word asian alone is annoyanced, it has a disrepect for cultures, countries, borders and boundaries.
This ignorant world doesn’t need to be provoked anymore than it should be, gee that line alone will tickle plenty of ignorant joes ,inspired them to start more fire and then say.. “i’m joking, i’m kidding”
it’s really blatant ignorant to start an offensive jokes and then softening it up, how typical is that these days on tv. it’s a symptom of america’s passive racism, cause it used to be just plain expressive racism, and that’s what? only 20yrs ago?
Posted on 08-Dec-07 at 1:47 am | Permalink
Matt wrote:
Asianannoyed doesn’t like the term “Asian” because “it has a disrespect for cultures, countries, borders and boundaries.” I guess he/she also dislikes the terms “black”, “white”, “Hispanic”, etc. And probably also, say, “American”, because it doesn’t respect different cultures. But he uses the term “jews”, which doesn’t in and of itself distinguish between countries, borders or boundaries. And as far as cultures, it only refers to one aspect of culture, thought it has a connotation of categorizing into a similar ethnicity.
Think how hard it would be to do anything without categories, though. “Police are searching for the three assailants, all of whom were in their mid-20s. One was from ancestors who spent significant portions of the past ten millennia in either Niger, Nigeria, Central African Republic, Sudan, Zaire, …..” and then, five pages later “The other two assailants were from ancestors who, for the majority of the past ten millennia, made their home in either England, Sweden, France, Germany, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Italy, ….”
I also disagree with his stance on racial jokes on television. I think, if they’re done compassionately, as I think they usually are on “30 Rock”, that they go much further in the direction of increasing racial interaction, understanding, comfort and tolerance than they do in promoting segregating stereotypes.
Posted on 08-Dec-07 at 7:08 am | Permalink
Asianannoyed wrote:
Matt:
Jews, Black, Hispanic, okay i’m sorry but just because you migrated, don’t put yourself in a pluralistic group that is dangerous and harmful to others, and if you’re in that situation, you should represent yourself, we migrated under certain circumstances, and I will gladly sit down and listen to each of your invidual experience.
The more you know, the better person you will become, and police should be educated people, because a law enforcement like you that carried a gun, and making life n death decision in split second, should have more knowledge to make better judgement. We all know how carried away a law enforcer in America operates dont’ we?
To defend bad television jokes that is supposedly “compassionate” and thought up by a hodgepodge people who themselves are confused and unread about the world except where they lived is a poor excuse. The best jokes are the ones about yourself, the worst is against someone else.know thyself.
Well read people will actually visit the library, and they don’t need to be educated by TV. Reality is that this hodgepodge americans are educated by TV from the likes of Cnn and questionable statistics that is convenience.
Ignorant americans don’t need to be exposed to more information that will further confused,and generate more misunderstanding. This is a country that evolved from conformity to self expressive invidual views that are down right ignorant and at times arrogant. More excuses will not work, silence should be the standard of excellence.
Posted on 08-Dec-07 at 12:46 pm | Permalink
Alan wrote:
Maybe you should watch less TV.
Posted on 09-Dec-07 at 12:48 pm | Permalink
acidflush wrote:
Dude, you are far too sensitive. Or either a troll for posting this entry. At least she ended up having sex with Kwan, so all is good, right?
Should young people be offended that Liz had a no-dating-younger-men rule?
Most clever sitcoms these days take digs at all types of people of different races, genders, sexual orientations, ages, political views, cultural backgrounds, etc. 30 Rock is no exception.
Get over it, or stay away from prime time television.
Posted on 15-Dec-07 at 11:23 pm | Permalink