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	<title>Comments on: Robin Zhou&#8217;s &#8220;Latinos Lag Behind in Academics&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Old flames never extinguish &#171; The Beneficial Anger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old flames never extinguish &#171; The Beneficial Anger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 00:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think I have written anything on it, and if I have, I will delete that old entry. There&#8217;s an article I liked, possibly because it appealed to my opinion. I hate to copy my own comment and post it as a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: New Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m at the high school right now and &quot;achievement gap&quot; issue has been the craze ever since this article. There&#039;s open enrollment to the advanced classes, which still doesn&#039;t persuade anyone else to join in except Asians. I think AP classes are designed for the Asians, especially in this school. Work hard, cram, pass. I haven&#039;t really learned anything except to memorize and not mess up on tests. That&#039;s a personal view. 

Recently, another issue was published, with the same premise. I didn&#039;t really read into it, because I knew it was full of confusion and unneeded stereotypes. People who work on the Newspaper are smart and of course, extroverted. Yes, just like Robin Zhou. But the problem at this school is that students hang out usually only with those of similar race. If you walk around the school, it&#039;s very obviously that the Asians hang there, the Mexicans over there, and etc. I assume a person like Robin Zhou didn&#039;t really know anyone of Hispanic descent well. It&#039;s like you see them, know their names, but then that&#039;s all. I do know some, but not enough to judge them on anything. Especially on how their parents raise them. &quot;Not doing well in school, slackers&quot;, these stereotypical comments sicken me. It doesn&#039;t benefit anyone, and only reveals more of who a person is. 

I can&#039;t blame Zhou. He&#039;s academically intelligent, yes, but lacks social intelligence, for a lack of better words. Traditional Asians value education over anything. The child could be anti-social or a psycho, but as long as grades are high, it doesn&#039;t matter. Overexaggeratiion to an extent. Hispanics, based on my experiences, value athletics and presumably just enjoying life. I&#039;m not entirely certain about anything I said, but it adds some reasons as to why &quot;Hispanics lack behind in education&quot;. We all have different priorities in life. Asians have theirs, Hispanics have theirs, others have their own. Many &quot;intelligent&quot; Asians can&#039;t see past the numbers and letters. Thus, a world of uncertainty and articles like this. 

What&#039;s worse is that California is so diverse, yet these things occurs. It&#039;s fine that Zhou wrote this, freedom of speech. But to not see the impact and flaws is just being ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m at the high school right now and &#8220;achievement gap&#8221; issue has been the craze ever since this article. There&#8217;s open enrollment to the advanced classes, which still doesn&#8217;t persuade anyone else to join in except Asians. I think AP classes are designed for the Asians, especially in this school. Work hard, cram, pass. I haven&#8217;t really learned anything except to memorize and not mess up on tests. That&#8217;s a personal view. </p>
<p>Recently, another issue was published, with the same premise. I didn&#8217;t really read into it, because I knew it was full of confusion and unneeded stereotypes. People who work on the Newspaper are smart and of course, extroverted. Yes, just like Robin Zhou. But the problem at this school is that students hang out usually only with those of similar race. If you walk around the school, it&#8217;s very obviously that the Asians hang there, the Mexicans over there, and etc. I assume a person like Robin Zhou didn&#8217;t really know anyone of Hispanic descent well. It&#8217;s like you see them, know their names, but then that&#8217;s all. I do know some, but not enough to judge them on anything. Especially on how their parents raise them. &#8220;Not doing well in school, slackers&#8221;, these stereotypical comments sicken me. It doesn&#8217;t benefit anyone, and only reveals more of who a person is. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t blame Zhou. He&#8217;s academically intelligent, yes, but lacks social intelligence, for a lack of better words. Traditional Asians value education over anything. The child could be anti-social or a psycho, but as long as grades are high, it doesn&#8217;t matter. Overexaggeratiion to an extent. Hispanics, based on my experiences, value athletics and presumably just enjoying life. I&#8217;m not entirely certain about anything I said, but it adds some reasons as to why &#8220;Hispanics lack behind in education&#8221;. We all have different priorities in life. Asians have theirs, Hispanics have theirs, others have their own. Many &#8220;intelligent&#8221; Asians can&#8217;t see past the numbers and letters. Thus, a world of uncertainty and articles like this. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse is that California is so diverse, yet these things occurs. It&#8217;s fine that Zhou wrote this, freedom of speech. But to not see the impact and flaws is just being ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: New Reader</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/01/16/robin-zhous-latinos-lag-behind-in-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-137169</link>
		<dc:creator>New Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m at the high school right now and &quot;achievement gap&quot; issue has been the craze ever since this article. There&#039;s open enrollment to the advanced classes, which still doesn&#039;t persuade anyone else to join in except Asians. I think AP classes are designed for the Asians, especially in this school. Work hard, cram, pass. I haven&#039;t really learned anything except to memorize and not mess up on tests. That&#039;s a personal view. 

Recently, another issue was published, with the same premise. I didn&#039;t really read into it, because I knew it was full of confusion and unneeded stereotypes. People who work on the Newspaper are smart and of course, extroverted. Yes, just like Robin Zhou. But the problem at this school is that students hang out usually only with those of similar race. If you walk around the school, it&#039;s very obviously that the Asians hang there, the Mexicans over there, and etc. I assume a person like Robin Zhou didn&#039;t really know anyone of Hispanic descent well. It&#039;s like you see them, know their names, but then that&#039;s all. I do know some, but not enough to judge them on anything. Especially on how their parents raise them. &quot;Not doing well in school, slackers&quot;, these stereotypical comments sicken me. It doesn&#039;t benefit anyone, and only reveals more of who a person is. 

I can&#039;t blame Zhou. He&#039;s academically intelligent, yes, but lacks social intelligence, for a lack of better words. Traditional Asians value education over anything. The child could be anti-social or a psycho, but as long as grades are high, it doesn&#039;t matter. Overexaggeratiion to an extent. Hispanics, based on my experiences, value athletics and presumably just enjoying life. I&#039;m not entirely certain about anything I said, but it adds some reasons as to why &quot;Hispanics lack behind in education&quot;. We all have different priorities in life. Asians have theirs, Hispanics have theirs, others have their own. Many &quot;intelligent&quot; Asians can&#039;t see past the numbers and letters. Thus, a world of uncertainty and articles like this. 

What&#039;s worse is that California is so diverse, yet these things occurs. It&#039;s fine that Zhou wrote this, freedom of speech. But to not see the impact and flaws is just being ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m at the high school right now and &#8220;achievement gap&#8221; issue has been the craze ever since this article. There&#8217;s open enrollment to the advanced classes, which still doesn&#8217;t persuade anyone else to join in except Asians. I think AP classes are designed for the Asians, especially in this school. Work hard, cram, pass. I haven&#8217;t really learned anything except to memorize and not mess up on tests. That&#8217;s a personal view. </p>
<p>Recently, another issue was published, with the same premise. I didn&#8217;t really read into it, because I knew it was full of confusion and unneeded stereotypes. People who work on the Newspaper are smart and of course, extroverted. Yes, just like Robin Zhou. But the problem at this school is that students hang out usually only with those of similar race. If you walk around the school, it&#8217;s very obviously that the Asians hang there, the Mexicans over there, and etc. I assume a person like Robin Zhou didn&#8217;t really know anyone of Hispanic descent well. It&#8217;s like you see them, know their names, but then that&#8217;s all. I do know some, but not enough to judge them on anything. Especially on how their parents raise them. &#8220;Not doing well in school, slackers&#8221;, these stereotypical comments sicken me. It doesn&#8217;t benefit anyone, and only reveals more of who a person is. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t blame Zhou. He&#8217;s academically intelligent, yes, but lacks social intelligence, for a lack of better words. Traditional Asians value education over anything. The child could be anti-social or a psycho, but as long as grades are high, it doesn&#8217;t matter. Overexaggeratiion to an extent. Hispanics, based on my experiences, value athletics and presumably just enjoying life. I&#8217;m not entirely certain about anything I said, but it adds some reasons as to why &#8220;Hispanics lack behind in education&#8221;. We all have different priorities in life. Asians have theirs, Hispanics have theirs, others have their own. Many &#8220;intelligent&#8221; Asians can&#8217;t see past the numbers and letters. Thus, a world of uncertainty and articles like this. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse is that California is so diverse, yet these things occurs. It&#8217;s fine that Zhou wrote this, freedom of speech. But to not see the impact and flaws is just being ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: 8Asians.com &#187; What It Means to Be a Family: On Asian Unity: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/01/16/robin-zhous-latinos-lag-behind-in-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-52947</link>
		<dc:creator>8Asians.com &#187; What It Means to Be a Family: On Asian Unity: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 23:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issue of Asian unity came up tangentially in Mike&#8217;s posting, &#8220;Robin Zhou&#8217;s &#8216;Latinos Lag Behind in Academics,&#8217;&#8221; which critiqued [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] issue of Asian unity came up tangentially in Mike&#8217;s posting, &#8220;Robin Zhou&#8217;s &#8216;Latinos Lag Behind in Academics,&#8217;&#8221; which critiqued [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/01/16/robin-zhous-latinos-lag-behind-in-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-52713</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, comment drama. What fun!

@Kiwi: Hey man, I hear ya. I was harsh. It was admittedly a poor attempt at humor that made this seem meaner than it was meant to be. Ironically, someone had once told me that every time they posted an attempt at humor, it was always misunderstood and received the most venom from commenters. Now I know how they feel.

I think Bo said it best when she wrote &quot;The biggest error in Zhou’s reasoning was to “blame” Latino parents for their lack of care and also the assumption that the community lacks to the ability to motivate itself.&quot; She would have done this piece much more justice than I could have. I essentially felt that there was more to the argument than Zhou wrote about. Obviously happy meal comparisons aren&#039;t the best way to convey that, you think?

I don&#039;t think this is any show of anti-Asian-community-ism though. I&#039;m not quite sure where you got that from, but perhaps you were just real livid about my post and wanted to attack all sorts of things.

Sincerely yours,
asshat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, comment drama. What fun!</p>
<p>@Kiwi: Hey man, I hear ya. I was harsh. It was admittedly a poor attempt at humor that made this seem meaner than it was meant to be. Ironically, someone had once told me that every time they posted an attempt at humor, it was always misunderstood and received the most venom from commenters. Now I know how they feel.</p>
<p>I think Bo said it best when she wrote &#8220;The biggest error in Zhou’s reasoning was to “blame” Latino parents for their lack of care and also the assumption that the community lacks to the ability to motivate itself.&#8221; She would have done this piece much more justice than I could have. I essentially felt that there was more to the argument than Zhou wrote about. Obviously happy meal comparisons aren&#8217;t the best way to convey that, you think?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is any show of anti-Asian-community-ism though. I&#8217;m not quite sure where you got that from, but perhaps you were just real livid about my post and wanted to attack all sorts of things.</p>
<p>Sincerely yours,<br />
asshat</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/01/16/robin-zhous-latinos-lag-behind-in-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-137168</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, comment drama. What fun!

@Kiwi: Hey man, I hear ya. I was harsh. It was admittedly a poor attempt at humor that made this seem meaner than it was meant to be. Ironically, someone had once told me that every time they posted an attempt at humor, it was always misunderstood and received the most venom from commenters. Now I know how they feel.

I think Bo said it best when she wrote &quot;The biggest error in Zhou’s reasoning was to “blame” Latino parents for their lack of care and also the assumption that the community lacks to the ability to motivate itself.&quot; She would have done this piece much more justice than I could have. I essentially felt that there was more to the argument than Zhou wrote about. Obviously happy meal comparisons aren&#039;t the best way to convey that, you think?

I don&#039;t think this is any show of anti-Asian-community-ism though. I&#039;m not quite sure where you got that from, but perhaps you were just real livid about my post and wanted to attack all sorts of things.

Sincerely yours,
asshat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, comment drama. What fun!</p>
<p>@Kiwi: Hey man, I hear ya. I was harsh. It was admittedly a poor attempt at humor that made this seem meaner than it was meant to be. Ironically, someone had once told me that every time they posted an attempt at humor, it was always misunderstood and received the most venom from commenters. Now I know how they feel.</p>
<p>I think Bo said it best when she wrote &#8220;The biggest error in Zhou’s reasoning was to “blame” Latino parents for their lack of care and also the assumption that the community lacks to the ability to motivate itself.&#8221; She would have done this piece much more justice than I could have. I essentially felt that there was more to the argument than Zhou wrote about. Obviously happy meal comparisons aren&#8217;t the best way to convey that, you think?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think this is any show of anti-Asian-community-ism though. I&#8217;m not quite sure where you got that from, but perhaps you were just real livid about my post and wanted to attack all sorts of things.</p>
<p>Sincerely yours,<br />
asshat</p>
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		<title>By: akrypti</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/01/16/robin-zhous-latinos-lag-behind-in-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-52692</link>
		<dc:creator>akrypti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok if the last line of Kiwi&#039;s last comment is taken into this thing we call *context* then you&#039;d see he wasn&#039;t calling Vivian a &quot;stupid whore,&quot; but rather he was saying he has the *right* to call her a &quot;stupid whore.&quot; 

And frankly I don&#039;t even know why we&#039;re having this argument. The author of this article is a HIGH SCHOOL KID. Let&#039;s all take out our own high school writings and see just how rationally sound they are. 

Finally, the disparity in academic performance has, I would argue, nothing to do with race at all, and everything to do with social class and economic privilege.

Criticizing Zhou and disowning him from our community isn&#039;t in itself what reflects lack of solidarity. It&#039;s only when we adopt the values of the White community and use those values to judge people in our community with the end result of segregation that I would take issue with. There&#039;s a difference between denouncing Cho (V-Tech shooter) because we personally cannot condone acts of violence and murder and denouncing Cho because we&#039;re afraid of what the white people will think of us now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok if the last line of Kiwi&#8217;s last comment is taken into this thing we call *context* then you&#8217;d see he wasn&#8217;t calling Vivian a &#8220;stupid whore,&#8221; but rather he was saying he has the *right* to call her a &#8220;stupid whore.&#8221; </p>
<p>And frankly I don&#8217;t even know why we&#8217;re having this argument. The author of this article is a HIGH SCHOOL KID. Let&#8217;s all take out our own high school writings and see just how rationally sound they are. </p>
<p>Finally, the disparity in academic performance has, I would argue, nothing to do with race at all, and everything to do with social class and economic privilege.</p>
<p>Criticizing Zhou and disowning him from our community isn&#8217;t in itself what reflects lack of solidarity. It&#8217;s only when we adopt the values of the White community and use those values to judge people in our community with the end result of segregation that I would take issue with. There&#8217;s a difference between denouncing Cho (V-Tech shooter) because we personally cannot condone acts of violence and murder and denouncing Cho because we&#8217;re afraid of what the white people will think of us now.</p>
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		<title>By: akrypti</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/01/16/robin-zhous-latinos-lag-behind-in-academics/comment-page-1/#comment-137167</link>
		<dc:creator>akrypti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok if the last line of Kiwi&#039;s last comment is taken into this thing we call *context* then you&#039;d see he wasn&#039;t calling Vivian a &quot;stupid whore,&quot; but rather he was saying he has the *right* to call her a &quot;stupid whore.&quot; 

And frankly I don&#039;t even know why we&#039;re having this argument. The author of this article is a HIGH SCHOOL KID. Let&#039;s all take out our own high school writings and see just how rationally sound they are. 

Finally, the disparity in academic performance has, I would argue, nothing to do with race at all, and everything to do with social class and economic privilege.

Criticizing Zhou and disowning him from our community isn&#039;t in itself what reflects lack of solidarity. It&#039;s only when we adopt the values of the White community and use those values to judge people in our community with the end result of segregation that I would take issue with. There&#039;s a difference between denouncing Cho (V-Tech shooter) because we personally cannot condone acts of violence and murder and denouncing Cho because we&#039;re afraid of what the white people will think of us now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok if the last line of Kiwi&#8217;s last comment is taken into this thing we call *context* then you&#8217;d see he wasn&#8217;t calling Vivian a &#8220;stupid whore,&#8221; but rather he was saying he has the *right* to call her a &#8220;stupid whore.&#8221; </p>
<p>And frankly I don&#8217;t even know why we&#8217;re having this argument. The author of this article is a HIGH SCHOOL KID. Let&#8217;s all take out our own high school writings and see just how rationally sound they are. </p>
<p>Finally, the disparity in academic performance has, I would argue, nothing to do with race at all, and everything to do with social class and economic privilege.</p>
<p>Criticizing Zhou and disowning him from our community isn&#8217;t in itself what reflects lack of solidarity. It&#8217;s only when we adopt the values of the White community and use those values to judge people in our community with the end result of segregation that I would take issue with. There&#8217;s a difference between denouncing Cho (V-Tech shooter) because we personally cannot condone acts of violence and murder and denouncing Cho because we&#8217;re afraid of what the white people will think of us now.</p>
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