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		<title>By: 2xamai</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/13/should-asian-kids-be-forced-to-play-music/comment-page-1/#comment-149281</link>
		<dc:creator>2xamai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 20:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My parents both emigrated here from Taiwan, and had me start piano when I was three.  To be honest though, I liked the beginning classes and showing people how good I was becoming at the instrument, but I absolutely hated practicing - my mom often sat next to me and made me play for several years.

However, I&#039;m glad that I was put through classical training, because I grew to have pride in being excellent at what I was doing (especially when I decided to randomly play for fun before music class at school and shocked my music teacher and the entire class... ).  Call it a bit of a show-off sort of mentality, but as a child it was something that gave me a lot of self confidence, and that was what made me keep practicing.  In fact, the way my mom made me keep playing was by threatening to make me quit.

None of the actual musical, expressive aspects really came to mind until I was in my early teens, and I think that was when I actually started to appreciate having a classical training.  I think the difference though is that my mom was a professional musician, and so she was able to give me pointers on musicality and such, though she started giving them to me before I reached the age of ten, and so those all went over my head.  Her background was that growing up, taking music lessons was a privilege that she only got if she was top in her class (which she wasn&#039;t), so she wanted to make sure that all the kids in my family got that training from an early age.

To be honest, I think that my being pushed into classical music at a young age was more a musician aspect more than an Asian one, though my mom did also have the objective of teaching us discipline, and the good thing was that at least I liked it, and continued on through college of my own accord.  It&#039;s very funny seeing my brother go through the same process, and I&#039;ve often talked with my mom about how it was for me as opposed to my brother - for a while, I was kind of her interpretor to my brother in explaining why he had to practice.  I&#039;m really thankful that she put me through classical music, because I really can&#039;t imagine my life without it, and I know that as a child I would not have practiced on my own without her sitting there telling me to practice.

Plus, having all the theory background makes for hilarious conversations about perfect pitch and solfege and lets us mess with other instruments (including guitar and drums, though no electric bass yet sadly because my mom didn&#039;t want to deal with an amp), and my brother has also become a metalhead (imagine my poor old Asian dad with him at a Metallica concert on the floor!).  Maybe for us who became musicophiles, having the classical training was really a blessing because of what it enabled us to do, and I can&#039;t thank my parents enough for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents both emigrated here from Taiwan, and had me start piano when I was three.  To be honest though, I liked the beginning classes and showing people how good I was becoming at the instrument, but I absolutely hated practicing &#8211; my mom often sat next to me and made me play for several years.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m glad that I was put through classical training, because I grew to have pride in being excellent at what I was doing (especially when I decided to randomly play for fun before music class at school and shocked my music teacher and the entire class&#8230; ).  Call it a bit of a show-off sort of mentality, but as a child it was something that gave me a lot of self confidence, and that was what made me keep practicing.  In fact, the way my mom made me keep playing was by threatening to make me quit.</p>
<p>None of the actual musical, expressive aspects really came to mind until I was in my early teens, and I think that was when I actually started to appreciate having a classical training.  I think the difference though is that my mom was a professional musician, and so she was able to give me pointers on musicality and such, though she started giving them to me before I reached the age of ten, and so those all went over my head.  Her background was that growing up, taking music lessons was a privilege that she only got if she was top in her class (which she wasn&#8217;t), so she wanted to make sure that all the kids in my family got that training from an early age.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think that my being pushed into classical music at a young age was more a musician aspect more than an Asian one, though my mom did also have the objective of teaching us discipline, and the good thing was that at least I liked it, and continued on through college of my own accord.  It&#8217;s very funny seeing my brother go through the same process, and I&#8217;ve often talked with my mom about how it was for me as opposed to my brother &#8211; for a while, I was kind of her interpretor to my brother in explaining why he had to practice.  I&#8217;m really thankful that she put me through classical music, because I really can&#8217;t imagine my life without it, and I know that as a child I would not have practiced on my own without her sitting there telling me to practice.</p>
<p>Plus, having all the theory background makes for hilarious conversations about perfect pitch and solfege and lets us mess with other instruments (including guitar and drums, though no electric bass yet sadly because my mom didn&#8217;t want to deal with an amp), and my brother has also become a metalhead (imagine my poor old Asian dad with him at a Metallica concert on the floor!).  Maybe for us who became musicophiles, having the classical training was really a blessing because of what it enabled us to do, and I can&#8217;t thank my parents enough for it.</p>
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		<title>By: dialgaxoid</title>
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		<dc:creator>dialgaxoid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 15:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the day I entered elementary school, my mom told me that I would be playing an instrument throughout school until I graduate. Unfortunately, my birthday is in June, so I can&#039;t quit at semester time. I have tried to quit various times, but have been threatened that my life would be, &quot;living hell&quot; if I tried to circumvent my mothers dictations. I am now in second semester of 10th grade and have finally had it with this bulls***. I told my mom that I am ready for the &quot;living hell&quot;, and will not be attending band and will dispose of my instrument next year if it remains on my schedule. I have expressed extreme disinterest in playing an instrument since the second week of 5th grade. Sorry for getting so into it, but my mom is really angering. It&#039;s like suing a family member. You care about them, but can&#039;t nearly stand to have fun with them. I try to keep it diplomatic and not talk about the issue, but I am constantly resenting her micromanagement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the day I entered elementary school, my mom told me that I would be playing an instrument throughout school until I graduate. Unfortunately, my birthday is in June, so I can&#8217;t quit at semester time. I have tried to quit various times, but have been threatened that my life would be, &#8220;living hell&#8221; if I tried to circumvent my mothers dictations. I am now in second semester of 10th grade and have finally had it with this bulls***. I told my mom that I am ready for the &#8220;living hell&#8221;, and will not be attending band and will dispose of my instrument next year if it remains on my schedule. I have expressed extreme disinterest in playing an instrument since the second week of 5th grade. Sorry for getting so into it, but my mom is really angering. It&#8217;s like suing a family member. You care about them, but can&#8217;t nearly stand to have fun with them. I try to keep it diplomatic and not talk about the issue, but I am constantly resenting her micromanagement.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremyisrael</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremyisrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Andy is going to end up ruining his kids&#039; lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Andy is going to end up ruining his kids&#39; lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vancouver Perspective:

It seems to me the &quot;Asian&quot; approach to playing the piano is one of mechanical approach rather than that of artistry and truly feeling the music. I think this is a cultural thing. Although there are exceptions this stereotype seems pretty accurate. It was the same in university, why think with your own words when you can simply &quot;memorize&quot; the book passages to write down on one&#039;s exam - not too popular with the Profs.

I encountered one young Chinese kid in the music store and his ego was bigger than his talent. Although he did compliment my playing I felt he could take a course in humility and how rude it was NOT to brag. But of course, we have many young little emperors being raised here. It makes the truly gifted and humble Asian kids - like with ALL RACES - stand out.

Chinese as a culture tend to be very competitive. This is NOT A RACIST COMMENT but a CULTURAL observation.  I recall one women, when I was quietly trying out new piano pieces for purchase, try to catch my eye and proceed to outplay me. Yawn. 

Many stereotypes about how Asian kids are raised are generally true, at least here in one of the largest Asian enclaves in North America. Kids are either neglected (some parents live abroad and leave highschool kids alone in their mega mansions -very sad) and spoiled with good and/or cash, or they are raised with an iron fist. The sweetest and most humble ones get our warmest hellos in the elevator where we live.

I remember one Asian man we were quite friendly with in our building, who wanted me to tutor his daughter, when I politely declined due to a variety of private family medical conditions/and work time, he was insulted. It didn&#039;t seem to concern him that we had important family matters that was taking up all of our time. According to him - it&#039;s only an hour a week. Now he avoids us. What a selfish man.

If Asian parents push their kids into music forcefully, I think it is merely a reflection of attempting to acquire what is perceived as &quot;status&quot;. Status to some people is more important than happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vancouver Perspective:</p>
<p>It seems to me the &#8220;Asian&#8221; approach to playing the piano is one of mechanical approach rather than that of artistry and truly feeling the music. I think this is a cultural thing. Although there are exceptions this stereotype seems pretty accurate. It was the same in university, why think with your own words when you can simply &#8220;memorize&#8221; the book passages to write down on one&#8217;s exam &#8211; not too popular with the Profs.</p>
<p>I encountered one young Chinese kid in the music store and his ego was bigger than his talent. Although he did compliment my playing I felt he could take a course in humility and how rude it was NOT to brag. But of course, we have many young little emperors being raised here. It makes the truly gifted and humble Asian kids &#8211; like with ALL RACES &#8211; stand out.</p>
<p>Chinese as a culture tend to be very competitive. This is NOT A RACIST COMMENT but a CULTURAL observation.  I recall one women, when I was quietly trying out new piano pieces for purchase, try to catch my eye and proceed to outplay me. Yawn. </p>
<p>Many stereotypes about how Asian kids are raised are generally true, at least here in one of the largest Asian enclaves in North America. Kids are either neglected (some parents live abroad and leave highschool kids alone in their mega mansions -very sad) and spoiled with good and/or cash, or they are raised with an iron fist. The sweetest and most humble ones get our warmest hellos in the elevator where we live.</p>
<p>I remember one Asian man we were quite friendly with in our building, who wanted me to tutor his daughter, when I politely declined due to a variety of private family medical conditions/and work time, he was insulted. It didn&#8217;t seem to concern him that we had important family matters that was taking up all of our time. According to him &#8211; it&#8217;s only an hour a week. Now he avoids us. What a selfish man.</p>
<p>If Asian parents push their kids into music forcefully, I think it is merely a reflection of attempting to acquire what is perceived as &#8220;status&#8221;. Status to some people is more important than happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: 8Asians.com &#187; Should Asian Kids Be Forced to Play Sports?: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/13/should-asian-kids-be-forced-to-play-music/comment-page-1/#comment-59309</link>
		<dc:creator>8Asians.com &#187; Should Asian Kids Be Forced to Play Sports?: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] funny thing occurred in the comment section regarding the previous blog post on Asian parents making their kids play musical instruments; a tangent topic was brought up about taking their kids out for sports teams. From Eddy: &#8230;do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] funny thing occurred in the comment section regarding the previous blog post on Asian parents making their kids play musical instruments; a tangent topic was brought up about taking their kids out for sports teams. From Eddy: &#8230;do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noellium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noellium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see here...both my parents are third generation, and they never really had me take lessons in anything recreational unless if I wanted to.  Flag football (at age six) and soccer (at age eleven) were things I took, because I wanted to (I never really continued with them).  And sometime in elementary school/middle school, I wanted to try out violin, because I liked the sound.  Apparently, it wasn&#039;t a big part of my life, because I only remember about three lessons. :P  (I quit after a few months.)

What my parents did have me take however was art lessons, since I&#039;m artistically inclined.  I think I enjoyed it for the first few years, then after having been to about three places for lessons, I started to get tired of it, since I felt I wasn&#039;t learning anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see here&#8230;both my parents are third generation, and they never really had me take lessons in anything recreational unless if I wanted to.  Flag football (at age six) and soccer (at age eleven) were things I took, because I wanted to (I never really continued with them).  And sometime in elementary school/middle school, I wanted to try out violin, because I liked the sound.  Apparently, it wasn&#8217;t a big part of my life, because I only remember about three lessons. <img src='http://dz43m3bsp6hck.cloudfront.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   (I quit after a few months.)</p>
<p>What my parents did have me take however was art lessons, since I&#8217;m artistically inclined.  I think I enjoyed it for the first few years, then after having been to about three places for lessons, I started to get tired of it, since I felt I wasn&#8217;t learning anything.</p>
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		<title>By: asiandragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>asiandragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many parents on the West Coast especially those in the second and third generation ones in Asian areas like the Bay Area, LA / Orange County and Sacramento tend to encourage their kids to participate in sports (Asian basketball leagues, martial arts and golf).

My parents actually encouraged participation in sports like track and basketball and the fighting arts instead of music.  My mom didn&#039;t want me to get my butt kicked by the white racists in my school.

I regret not having learned how to play the piano / keyboard.

It might be a generational and geographical trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many parents on the West Coast especially those in the second and third generation ones in Asian areas like the Bay Area, LA / Orange County and Sacramento tend to encourage their kids to participate in sports (Asian basketball leagues, martial arts and golf).</p>
<p>My parents actually encouraged participation in sports like track and basketball and the fighting arts instead of music.  My mom didn&#8217;t want me to get my butt kicked by the white racists in my school.</p>
<p>I regret not having learned how to play the piano / keyboard.</p>
<p>It might be a generational and geographical trend.</p>
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		<title>By: former piano teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>former piano teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s be fair - it&#039;s really about parenting style.
with any good discipline, be it music or sports or anything, it&#039;s all about how the parents provide the opportunity. the &quot;stage mom&quot; or any dictator attitude would ruin a kid enjoying any hobby, not just music.

as a piano student:
i lived in the generation of the movie and tv series FAME. i was a quiet little chinese girl and piano lessons saved my life bc it gave me a channel for expressing my moodiness outside of a repressive chinese family. my russian jewish piano teacher and my other piano teachers and other piano students showed me there were different people out there and i had options beyond what my parents told me.

as a piano teacher:
in high school, my orchestra teacher (where i played violin and viola) encouraged me to be a piano teacher. my piano students (kids and adults) thought it was a hoot to have a tiny teenage asian piano teacher. i retired as a piano teacher in college when i had to consolidate my work hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s be fair &#8211; it&#8217;s really about parenting style.<br />
with any good discipline, be it music or sports or anything, it&#8217;s all about how the parents provide the opportunity. the &#8220;stage mom&#8221; or any dictator attitude would ruin a kid enjoying any hobby, not just music.</p>
<p>as a piano student:<br />
i lived in the generation of the movie and tv series FAME. i was a quiet little chinese girl and piano lessons saved my life bc it gave me a channel for expressing my moodiness outside of a repressive chinese family. my russian jewish piano teacher and my other piano teachers and other piano students showed me there were different people out there and i had options beyond what my parents told me.</p>
<p>as a piano teacher:<br />
in high school, my orchestra teacher (where i played violin and viola) encouraged me to be a piano teacher. my piano students (kids and adults) thought it was a hoot to have a tiny teenage asian piano teacher. i retired as a piano teacher in college when i had to consolidate my work hours.</p>
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