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	<title>Comments on: Should Asian Kids Be Forced To Play Music?</title>
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		<title>By: jeremyisrael</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/13/should-asian-kids-be-forced-to-play-music/comment-page-1/#comment-125317</link>
		<dc:creator>jeremyisrael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Andy is going to end up ruining his kids&#039; lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Andy is going to end up ruining his kids&#39; lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vancouver Perspective:

It seems to me the &quot;Asian&quot; approach to playing the piano is one of mechanical approach rather than that of artistry and truly feeling the music. I think this is a cultural thing. Although there are exceptions this stereotype seems pretty accurate. It was the same in university, why think with your own words when you can simply &quot;memorize&quot; the book passages to write down on one&#039;s exam - not too popular with the Profs.

I encountered one young Chinese kid in the music store and his ego was bigger than his talent. Although he did compliment my playing I felt he could take a course in humility and how rude it was NOT to brag. But of course, we have many young little emperors being raised here. It makes the truly gifted and humble Asian kids - like with ALL RACES - stand out.

Chinese as a culture tend to be very competitive. This is NOT A RACIST COMMENT but a CULTURAL observation.  I recall one women, when I was quietly trying out new piano pieces for purchase, try to catch my eye and proceed to outplay me. Yawn. 

Many stereotypes about how Asian kids are raised are generally true, at least here in one of the largest Asian enclaves in North America. Kids are either neglected (some parents live abroad and leave highschool kids alone in their mega mansions -very sad) and spoiled with good and/or cash, or they are raised with an iron fist. The sweetest and most humble ones get our warmest hellos in the elevator where we live.

I remember one Asian man we were quite friendly with in our building, who wanted me to tutor his daughter, when I politely declined due to a variety of private family medical conditions/and work time, he was insulted. It didn&#039;t seem to concern him that we had important family matters that was taking up all of our time. According to him - it&#039;s only an hour a week. Now he avoids us. What a selfish man.

If Asian parents push their kids into music forcefully, I think it is merely a reflection of attempting to acquire what is perceived as &quot;status&quot;. Status to some people is more important than happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vancouver Perspective:</p>
<p>It seems to me the &#8220;Asian&#8221; approach to playing the piano is one of mechanical approach rather than that of artistry and truly feeling the music. I think this is a cultural thing. Although there are exceptions this stereotype seems pretty accurate. It was the same in university, why think with your own words when you can simply &#8220;memorize&#8221; the book passages to write down on one&#8217;s exam &#8211; not too popular with the Profs.</p>
<p>I encountered one young Chinese kid in the music store and his ego was bigger than his talent. Although he did compliment my playing I felt he could take a course in humility and how rude it was NOT to brag. But of course, we have many young little emperors being raised here. It makes the truly gifted and humble Asian kids &#8211; like with ALL RACES &#8211; stand out.</p>
<p>Chinese as a culture tend to be very competitive. This is NOT A RACIST COMMENT but a CULTURAL observation.  I recall one women, when I was quietly trying out new piano pieces for purchase, try to catch my eye and proceed to outplay me. Yawn. </p>
<p>Many stereotypes about how Asian kids are raised are generally true, at least here in one of the largest Asian enclaves in North America. Kids are either neglected (some parents live abroad and leave highschool kids alone in their mega mansions -very sad) and spoiled with good and/or cash, or they are raised with an iron fist. The sweetest and most humble ones get our warmest hellos in the elevator where we live.</p>
<p>I remember one Asian man we were quite friendly with in our building, who wanted me to tutor his daughter, when I politely declined due to a variety of private family medical conditions/and work time, he was insulted. It didn&#8217;t seem to concern him that we had important family matters that was taking up all of our time. According to him &#8211; it&#8217;s only an hour a week. Now he avoids us. What a selfish man.</p>
<p>If Asian parents push their kids into music forcefully, I think it is merely a reflection of attempting to acquire what is perceived as &#8220;status&#8221;. Status to some people is more important than happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: 8Asians.com &#187; Should Asian Kids Be Forced to Play Sports?: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/13/should-asian-kids-be-forced-to-play-music/comment-page-1/#comment-59309</link>
		<dc:creator>8Asians.com &#187; Should Asian Kids Be Forced to Play Sports?: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] funny thing occurred in the comment section regarding the previous blog post on Asian parents making their kids play musical instruments; a tangent topic was brought up about taking their kids out for sports teams. From Eddy: &#8230;do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] funny thing occurred in the comment section regarding the previous blog post on Asian parents making their kids play musical instruments; a tangent topic was brought up about taking their kids out for sports teams. From Eddy: &#8230;do [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noellium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noellium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see here...both my parents are third generation, and they never really had me take lessons in anything recreational unless if I wanted to.  Flag football (at age six) and soccer (at age eleven) were things I took, because I wanted to (I never really continued with them).  And sometime in elementary school/middle school, I wanted to try out violin, because I liked the sound.  Apparently, it wasn&#039;t a big part of my life, because I only remember about three lessons. :P  (I quit after a few months.)

What my parents did have me take however was art lessons, since I&#039;m artistically inclined.  I think I enjoyed it for the first few years, then after having been to about three places for lessons, I started to get tired of it, since I felt I wasn&#039;t learning anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see here&#8230;both my parents are third generation, and they never really had me take lessons in anything recreational unless if I wanted to.  Flag football (at age six) and soccer (at age eleven) were things I took, because I wanted to (I never really continued with them).  And sometime in elementary school/middle school, I wanted to try out violin, because I liked the sound.  Apparently, it wasn&#8217;t a big part of my life, because I only remember about three lessons. <img src='http://www.8asians.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />   (I quit after a few months.)</p>
<p>What my parents did have me take however was art lessons, since I&#8217;m artistically inclined.  I think I enjoyed it for the first few years, then after having been to about three places for lessons, I started to get tired of it, since I felt I wasn&#8217;t learning anything.</p>
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		<title>By: asiandragon</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/13/should-asian-kids-be-forced-to-play-music/comment-page-1/#comment-59142</link>
		<dc:creator>asiandragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 16:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many parents on the West Coast especially those in the second and third generation ones in Asian areas like the Bay Area, LA / Orange County and Sacramento tend to encourage their kids to participate in sports (Asian basketball leagues, martial arts and golf).

My parents actually encouraged participation in sports like track and basketball and the fighting arts instead of music.  My mom didn&#039;t want me to get my butt kicked by the white racists in my school.

I regret not having learned how to play the piano / keyboard.

It might be a generational and geographical trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many parents on the West Coast especially those in the second and third generation ones in Asian areas like the Bay Area, LA / Orange County and Sacramento tend to encourage their kids to participate in sports (Asian basketball leagues, martial arts and golf).</p>
<p>My parents actually encouraged participation in sports like track and basketball and the fighting arts instead of music.  My mom didn&#8217;t want me to get my butt kicked by the white racists in my school.</p>
<p>I regret not having learned how to play the piano / keyboard.</p>
<p>It might be a generational and geographical trend.</p>
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		<title>By: former piano teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>former piano teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>let&#039;s be fair - it&#039;s really about parenting style.
with any good discipline, be it music or sports or anything, it&#039;s all about how the parents provide the opportunity. the &quot;stage mom&quot; or any dictator attitude would ruin a kid enjoying any hobby, not just music.

as a piano student:
i lived in the generation of the movie and tv series FAME. i was a quiet little chinese girl and piano lessons saved my life bc it gave me a channel for expressing my moodiness outside of a repressive chinese family. my russian jewish piano teacher and my other piano teachers and other piano students showed me there were different people out there and i had options beyond what my parents told me.

as a piano teacher:
in high school, my orchestra teacher (where i played violin and viola) encouraged me to be a piano teacher. my piano students (kids and adults) thought it was a hoot to have a tiny teenage asian piano teacher. i retired as a piano teacher in college when i had to consolidate my work hours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>let&#8217;s be fair &#8211; it&#8217;s really about parenting style.<br />
with any good discipline, be it music or sports or anything, it&#8217;s all about how the parents provide the opportunity. the &#8220;stage mom&#8221; or any dictator attitude would ruin a kid enjoying any hobby, not just music.</p>
<p>as a piano student:<br />
i lived in the generation of the movie and tv series FAME. i was a quiet little chinese girl and piano lessons saved my life bc it gave me a channel for expressing my moodiness outside of a repressive chinese family. my russian jewish piano teacher and my other piano teachers and other piano students showed me there were different people out there and i had options beyond what my parents told me.</p>
<p>as a piano teacher:<br />
in high school, my orchestra teacher (where i played violin and viola) encouraged me to be a piano teacher. my piano students (kids and adults) thought it was a hoot to have a tiny teenage asian piano teacher. i retired as a piano teacher in college when i had to consolidate my work hours.</p>
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		<title>By: ancient one</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/13/should-asian-kids-be-forced-to-play-music/comment-page-1/#comment-58873</link>
		<dc:creator>ancient one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding eddy&#039;s semi-related comment:  I wouldn&#039;t mind do a posting on APA and sports.  I have a lot experience in this area, having done sports, having kids who do sports, and having coached Asian-American kids in different sports for a number of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding eddy&#8217;s semi-related comment:  I wouldn&#8217;t mind do a posting on APA and sports.  I have a lot experience in this area, having done sports, having kids who do sports, and having coached Asian-American kids in different sports for a number of years.</p>
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		<title>By: ancient one</title>
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		<dc:creator>ancient one</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to a piano music school for 10 years, and played trumpet and brass instruments for 9.  I am eternally grateful to parents for giving me those opportunites.  I can really enjoy KDFC like Akrypti, and I can sightread and sing music because of that.  Band in particular was really really fun.  I took a lot of trips in marching band which were usually a blast.  One of my Asian-american friends used his knowledge of music to quickly learn guitar, and in college he was in a rock band.  As a result, he got laid a lot more than me.  Orders and orders of magnitude more than me :-(.  Who said that music lessons don&#039;t pay off!

I am making my kids learn music.  I didn&#039;t give much choice in instrument (piano) to my daughter, but I let my older son choose what instrument he wanted (trumpet).  My younger son will get to choose also when the time comes.  One nice thing is that my daughter&#039;s teacher lets them learn more popular music, which can stimulate their own interest and not let me nag so much to practice.  It was annoying, though, after my daughter saw Titanic, she learned &quot;My Heart Will Go On&quot; on her own and has been playing it over and over and over...

I find it sad that people weren&#039;t allowed or weren&#039;t taught jazz for piano.  Some of the highlights for me as a piano player was being in the school jazz band.  I had to teach myself chords, although I have to say that music theory I learned is really really helpful for learning jazz.  In general, playing in groups is a lot more fun then playing solo, which can be kind of depressing after a while (especially for piano players).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to a piano music school for 10 years, and played trumpet and brass instruments for 9.  I am eternally grateful to parents for giving me those opportunites.  I can really enjoy KDFC like Akrypti, and I can sightread and sing music because of that.  Band in particular was really really fun.  I took a lot of trips in marching band which were usually a blast.  One of my Asian-american friends used his knowledge of music to quickly learn guitar, and in college he was in a rock band.  As a result, he got laid a lot more than me.  Orders and orders of magnitude more than me <img src='http://www.8asians.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Who said that music lessons don&#8217;t pay off!</p>
<p>I am making my kids learn music.  I didn&#8217;t give much choice in instrument (piano) to my daughter, but I let my older son choose what instrument he wanted (trumpet).  My younger son will get to choose also when the time comes.  One nice thing is that my daughter&#8217;s teacher lets them learn more popular music, which can stimulate their own interest and not let me nag so much to practice.  It was annoying, though, after my daughter saw Titanic, she learned &#8220;My Heart Will Go On&#8221; on her own and has been playing it over and over and over&#8230;</p>
<p>I find it sad that people weren&#8217;t allowed or weren&#8217;t taught jazz for piano.  Some of the highlights for me as a piano player was being in the school jazz band.  I had to teach myself chords, although I have to say that music theory I learned is really really helpful for learning jazz.  In general, playing in groups is a lot more fun then playing solo, which can be kind of depressing after a while (especially for piano players).</p>
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		<title>By: Akrypti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akrypti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 21:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m  deeply indebted to my parents for providing me with piano lessons since the age of 4 and violin since the age of 7. Those music lessons taught me everything I need to know to succeed in life. I&#039;m more disciplined, more methodical in thinking, more organized, have better hand eye coordination, communicate and write better, do better at math, even appreciate 102.1 KDFC better. 

Like the time the DJ on KDFC announced the wrong song title to the song and I could call in and correct them and they could then announce again the mistake. &quot;It was by Max Bruch. MAX BRUCH! How do you not know Bruch when you hear it? Idiots.&quot;

I first thirsted for competition, to always come out first, through music. I also learned it was okay if I didn&#039;t come out first as long as I put in my all---through music.

Finally, it breaks my heart to know the extent my parents would self-sacrifice just to provide me the best violin, the best teachers, private lessons, etc. After working insane hours all week, instead of relaxing on their weekends, they drove me frantically here and there to various symphony rehearsals, auditions, and what not, all over the state, and many times all over the east coast. That kind of parental dedication makes me wonder how I&#039;ll ever be able to pass on the same to my own children. After a long day of work, instead of resting or spending time to himself, my father sat on the piano bench by my side helping me through etudes, patiently teaching me the right method to practice hard runs. 

For parents who don&#039;t hug and kiss and say &quot;I love you,&quot; music lessons were my parents&#039; way of showing me just how important I am to them, even at the sacrifice of their own sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m  deeply indebted to my parents for providing me with piano lessons since the age of 4 and violin since the age of 7. Those music lessons taught me everything I need to know to succeed in life. I&#8217;m more disciplined, more methodical in thinking, more organized, have better hand eye coordination, communicate and write better, do better at math, even appreciate 102.1 KDFC better. </p>
<p>Like the time the DJ on KDFC announced the wrong song title to the song and I could call in and correct them and they could then announce again the mistake. &#8220;It was by Max Bruch. MAX BRUCH! How do you not know Bruch when you hear it? Idiots.&#8221;</p>
<p>I first thirsted for competition, to always come out first, through music. I also learned it was okay if I didn&#8217;t come out first as long as I put in my all&#8212;through music.</p>
<p>Finally, it breaks my heart to know the extent my parents would self-sacrifice just to provide me the best violin, the best teachers, private lessons, etc. After working insane hours all week, instead of relaxing on their weekends, they drove me frantically here and there to various symphony rehearsals, auditions, and what not, all over the state, and many times all over the east coast. That kind of parental dedication makes me wonder how I&#8217;ll ever be able to pass on the same to my own children. After a long day of work, instead of resting or spending time to himself, my father sat on the piano bench by my side helping me through etudes, patiently teaching me the right method to practice hard runs. </p>
<p>For parents who don&#8217;t hug and kiss and say &#8220;I love you,&#8221; music lessons were my parents&#8217; way of showing me just how important I am to them, even at the sacrifice of their own sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Xxxtine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xxxtine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HERE&#039;s the funny bit ... 

So the parents force the child to do piano ... and they do for a number of years and actually start to take a real liking to it ... but instead of doing something like becoming a concert pianist ... they want to do pop or jazz and pursue it as a career. - To which they are then shown the Biology and Chemistry textbooks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HERE&#8217;s the funny bit &#8230; </p>
<p>So the parents force the child to do piano &#8230; and they do for a number of years and actually start to take a real liking to it &#8230; but instead of doing something like becoming a concert pianist &#8230; they want to do pop or jazz and pursue it as a career. &#8211; To which they are then shown the Biology and Chemistry textbooks.</p>
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