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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Race in America Speech:  What does it mean for Asian-Americans?</title>
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		<title>By: Keith Kamisugi</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/19/obamas-race-in-america-speech-what-does-it-mean-for-asian-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-60622</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Kamisugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, when I personally look at the entire context of Rev. Wright&#039;s remarks (only minutes of which are singled out in what must have been thousands of hours of sermons) and with my admittedly incomplete understanding of the racial frustrations by African Americans, I do not view Rev. Wright as some sort of monster &quot;spewing hatred.&quot;

John McCain was &quot;proud&quot; and &quot;honored&quot; to have received the endorsement of Rev. John Hagee who claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God&#039;s judgment against homosexuality.  THAT is spewing hatred to me. But the Senator doesn&#039;t appear to be suffering from equal pressure on that matter.

I really do believe that Sen. Obama didn&#039;t agree with everything Rev. Wright said, but that doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s going to complain about each incident or leave the church. I don&#039;t agree with the premise that he should have done so.  It reflects this growing dispute of elements in this campaign from a two-dimensional viewpoint.

In terms of what Obama is doing after the speech, I don&#039;t know for certain.  I have faith that his administration will engage in initiatives on race that will involve the American people.  Going to the moon was a cake walk compared to how we address race in this country.

The moon race was fueled by the hatred of the Communist Soviets. On the issue of race, we have only ourselves and our posterity to motivate us to do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, when I personally look at the entire context of Rev. Wright&#8217;s remarks (only minutes of which are singled out in what must have been thousands of hours of sermons) and with my admittedly incomplete understanding of the racial frustrations by African Americans, I do not view Rev. Wright as some sort of monster &#8220;spewing hatred.&#8221;</p>
<p>John McCain was &#8220;proud&#8221; and &#8220;honored&#8221; to have received the endorsement of Rev. John Hagee who claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God&#8217;s judgment against homosexuality.  THAT is spewing hatred to me. But the Senator doesn&#8217;t appear to be suffering from equal pressure on that matter.</p>
<p>I really do believe that Sen. Obama didn&#8217;t agree with everything Rev. Wright said, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s going to complain about each incident or leave the church. I don&#8217;t agree with the premise that he should have done so.  It reflects this growing dispute of elements in this campaign from a two-dimensional viewpoint.</p>
<p>In terms of what Obama is doing after the speech, I don&#8217;t know for certain.  I have faith that his administration will engage in initiatives on race that will involve the American people.  Going to the moon was a cake walk compared to how we address race in this country.</p>
<p>The moon race was fueled by the hatred of the Communist Soviets. On the issue of race, we have only ourselves and our posterity to motivate us to do better.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Kamisugi</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/19/obamas-race-in-america-speech-what-does-it-mean-for-asian-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-137861</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Kamisugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, when I personally look at the entire context of Rev. Wright&#039;s remarks (only minutes of which are singled out in what must have been thousands of hours of sermons) and with my admittedly incomplete understanding of the racial frustrations by African Americans, I do not view Rev. Wright as some sort of monster &quot;spewing hatred.&quot;

John McCain was &quot;proud&quot; and &quot;honored&quot; to have received the endorsement of Rev. John Hagee who claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God&#039;s judgment against homosexuality.  THAT is spewing hatred to me. But the Senator doesn&#039;t appear to be suffering from equal pressure on that matter.

I really do believe that Sen. Obama didn&#039;t agree with everything Rev. Wright said, but that doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s going to complain about each incident or leave the church. I don&#039;t agree with the premise that he should have done so.  It reflects this growing dispute of elements in this campaign from a two-dimensional viewpoint.

In terms of what Obama is doing after the speech, I don&#039;t know for certain.  I have faith that his administration will engage in initiatives on race that will involve the American people.  Going to the moon was a cake walk compared to how we address race in this country.

The moon race was fueled by the hatred of the Communist Soviets. On the issue of race, we have only ourselves and our posterity to motivate us to do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, when I personally look at the entire context of Rev. Wright&#8217;s remarks (only minutes of which are singled out in what must have been thousands of hours of sermons) and with my admittedly incomplete understanding of the racial frustrations by African Americans, I do not view Rev. Wright as some sort of monster &#8220;spewing hatred.&#8221;</p>
<p>John McCain was &#8220;proud&#8221; and &#8220;honored&#8221; to have received the endorsement of Rev. John Hagee who claimed that Hurricane Katrina was God&#8217;s judgment against homosexuality.  THAT is spewing hatred to me. But the Senator doesn&#8217;t appear to be suffering from equal pressure on that matter.</p>
<p>I really do believe that Sen. Obama didn&#8217;t agree with everything Rev. Wright said, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s going to complain about each incident or leave the church. I don&#8217;t agree with the premise that he should have done so.  It reflects this growing dispute of elements in this campaign from a two-dimensional viewpoint.</p>
<p>In terms of what Obama is doing after the speech, I don&#8217;t know for certain.  I have faith that his administration will engage in initiatives on race that will involve the American people.  Going to the moon was a cake walk compared to how we address race in this country.</p>
<p>The moon race was fueled by the hatred of the Communist Soviets. On the issue of race, we have only ourselves and our posterity to motivate us to do better.</p>
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		<title>By: 8Asians.com &#187; Mixed Messenger: Obama, bi-racial / Hapa America: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/19/obamas-race-in-america-speech-what-does-it-mean-for-asian-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-60458</link>
		<dc:creator>8Asians.com &#187; Mixed Messenger: Obama, bi-racial / Hapa America: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Peggy Orenstein discuss the role of race, racial identity and Obama (with Obama&#8217;s speech on race bringing up much discussion in America), as well as America&#8217;s growing, bi-racial nature. I thought Orenstein&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Peggy Orenstein discuss the role of race, racial identity and Obama (with Obama&#8217;s speech on race bringing up much discussion in America), as well as America&#8217;s growing, bi-racial nature. I thought Orenstein&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kamisugi, you work in PR, you were student body president, I think you would kick butt in a debate. So, no, I am not going to debate you. However, I am happy to have the readership of 8asians decide whether or not your asking me about my actions is a personal attack or not.

Thank you Akrypti for helping try to point out to Mr. Kamisugi how his directed comment to me might be viewed by others. and for pointing out that I went too far in my comment.

A correction/retraction - I went too far in saying Obama is a man of words and not actions. He has done a lot of things. Just not as much as other candidates.

And in this instance regarding Rev. Wright, I question why Obama didn&#039;t speak up earlier. (speaking up being the action). That he only spoke up after the presidential campaign presented this issue.

I guess my question is what action is Obama taking regarding this incident other than this speech. e. g. is he going to set up a presidential task force or something to improve race relations or open up dialogue regarding anti-white sentiment at black churches?  I guess I want to work towards a solution and not just talk about the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kamisugi, you work in PR, you were student body president, I think you would kick butt in a debate. So, no, I am not going to debate you. However, I am happy to have the readership of 8asians decide whether or not your asking me about my actions is a personal attack or not.</p>
<p>Thank you Akrypti for helping try to point out to Mr. Kamisugi how his directed comment to me might be viewed by others. and for pointing out that I went too far in my comment.</p>
<p>A correction/retraction &#8211; I went too far in saying Obama is a man of words and not actions. He has done a lot of things. Just not as much as other candidates.</p>
<p>And in this instance regarding Rev. Wright, I question why Obama didn&#8217;t speak up earlier. (speaking up being the action). That he only spoke up after the presidential campaign presented this issue.</p>
<p>I guess my question is what action is Obama taking regarding this incident other than this speech. e. g. is he going to set up a presidential task force or something to improve race relations or open up dialogue regarding anti-white sentiment at black churches?  I guess I want to work towards a solution and not just talk about the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Shy</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/19/obamas-race-in-america-speech-what-does-it-mean-for-asian-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-137860</link>
		<dc:creator>Shy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kamisugi, you work in PR, you were student body president, I think you would kick butt in a debate. So, no, I am not going to debate you. However, I am happy to have the readership of 8asians decide whether or not your asking me about my actions is a personal attack or not.

Thank you Akrypti for helping try to point out to Mr. Kamisugi how his directed comment to me might be viewed by others. and for pointing out that I went too far in my comment.

A correction/retraction - I went too far in saying Obama is a man of words and not actions. He has done a lot of things. Just not as much as other candidates.

And in this instance regarding Rev. Wright, I question why Obama didn&#039;t speak up earlier. (speaking up being the action). That he only spoke up after the presidential campaign presented this issue.

I guess my question is what action is Obama taking regarding this incident other than this speech. e. g. is he going to set up a presidential task force or something to improve race relations or open up dialogue regarding anti-white sentiment at black churches?  I guess I want to work towards a solution and not just talk about the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kamisugi, you work in PR, you were student body president, I think you would kick butt in a debate. So, no, I am not going to debate you. However, I am happy to have the readership of 8asians decide whether or not your asking me about my actions is a personal attack or not.</p>
<p>Thank you Akrypti for helping try to point out to Mr. Kamisugi how his directed comment to me might be viewed by others. and for pointing out that I went too far in my comment.</p>
<p>A correction/retraction &#8211; I went too far in saying Obama is a man of words and not actions. He has done a lot of things. Just not as much as other candidates.</p>
<p>And in this instance regarding Rev. Wright, I question why Obama didn&#8217;t speak up earlier. (speaking up being the action). That he only spoke up after the presidential campaign presented this issue.</p>
<p>I guess my question is what action is Obama taking regarding this incident other than this speech. e. g. is he going to set up a presidential task force or something to improve race relations or open up dialogue regarding anti-white sentiment at black churches?  I guess I want to work towards a solution and not just talk about the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Kamisugi</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/19/obamas-race-in-america-speech-what-does-it-mean-for-asian-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-60322</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Kamisugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing in what I wrote that suggested Shy or anyone else had to have Nobel Prize or Presidential level contributions to warrant an &quot;attack&quot; on Obama as a candidate of words and not action.  When one makes that attack, I think its fair to question if the attacker is making that critique from a credible position. Is it fair to ask some who bitches and moans about social and civil problems, but doesn&#039;t vote? You bet. 

So let&#039;s put action to words. Both of you can join me in a live debate on blogtalkradio.com.  You can suggest a moderator and we&#039;ll open it up for questions from callers in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing in what I wrote that suggested Shy or anyone else had to have Nobel Prize or Presidential level contributions to warrant an &#8220;attack&#8221; on Obama as a candidate of words and not action.  When one makes that attack, I think its fair to question if the attacker is making that critique from a credible position. Is it fair to ask some who bitches and moans about social and civil problems, but doesn&#8217;t vote? You bet. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s put action to words. Both of you can join me in a live debate on blogtalkradio.com.  You can suggest a moderator and we&#8217;ll open it up for questions from callers in.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Kamisugi</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/19/obamas-race-in-america-speech-what-does-it-mean-for-asian-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-137859</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Kamisugi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing in what I wrote that suggested Shy or anyone else had to have Nobel Prize or Presidential level contributions to warrant an &quot;attack&quot; on Obama as a candidate of words and not action.  When one makes that attack, I think its fair to question if the attacker is making that critique from a credible position. Is it fair to ask some who bitches and moans about social and civil problems, but doesn&#039;t vote? You bet. 

So let&#039;s put action to words. Both of you can join me in a live debate on blogtalkradio.com.  You can suggest a moderator and we&#039;ll open it up for questions from callers in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing in what I wrote that suggested Shy or anyone else had to have Nobel Prize or Presidential level contributions to warrant an &#8220;attack&#8221; on Obama as a candidate of words and not action.  When one makes that attack, I think its fair to question if the attacker is making that critique from a credible position. Is it fair to ask some who bitches and moans about social and civil problems, but doesn&#8217;t vote? You bet. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s put action to words. Both of you can join me in a live debate on blogtalkradio.com.  You can suggest a moderator and we&#8217;ll open it up for questions from callers in.</p>
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		<title>By: Akrypti</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/03/19/obamas-race-in-america-speech-what-does-it-mean-for-asian-americans/comment-page-1/#comment-60282</link>
		<dc:creator>Akrypti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>statement at issue: &quot;you criticize Barack Obama as a man of only words and not action, which makes me wonder what actions you’re taking to make the world a better place. People who criticize Obama for words not action have zero credibility with me if they’re not engaged in action of their own.&quot;

personal (def.) = done by one individual only; relating to a particular individual; referring offensively to a particular person; of the body

attack (def.) = criticize somebody or something

Strongly implying that Shy has no right to criticize Obama&#039;s speech because one is skeptical of her own past contributions to &quot;make the world a better place&quot; and rebutting her criticism with the flat statement &quot;have zero credibility with me&quot; would definitely constitute a personal attack. 

A criticism of Shy&#039;s comment would be something like - If Obama were merely a man of words, and not a man of action, then today he would just be a pretty smart guy with a pretty popular blog. (Like countless folks we know.) The fact he is a presidential candidate who raised his campaign from the grassroots up, an extraordinary feat by any measure, is more than enough to suggest he is a man of action, and not just a man of words. Thus, you have not provided sufficient argument to convince me that Obama is merely a man of words and not a man of action.

Now, saying Shy has no right to make a comment at all about Obama&#039;s politics simply because she herself hasn&#039;t won a Nobel peace prize would be a &quot;personal attack.&quot;

Finally, what is all this talk of action and words as mutually exclusive? Whatever happened to the old proverb about a pen being mightier than the sword?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>statement at issue: &#8220;you criticize Barack Obama as a man of only words and not action, which makes me wonder what actions you’re taking to make the world a better place. People who criticize Obama for words not action have zero credibility with me if they’re not engaged in action of their own.&#8221;</p>
<p>personal (def.) = done by one individual only; relating to a particular individual; referring offensively to a particular person; of the body</p>
<p>attack (def.) = criticize somebody or something</p>
<p>Strongly implying that Shy has no right to criticize Obama&#8217;s speech because one is skeptical of her own past contributions to &#8220;make the world a better place&#8221; and rebutting her criticism with the flat statement &#8220;have zero credibility with me&#8221; would definitely constitute a personal attack. </p>
<p>A criticism of Shy&#8217;s comment would be something like &#8211; If Obama were merely a man of words, and not a man of action, then today he would just be a pretty smart guy with a pretty popular blog. (Like countless folks we know.) The fact he is a presidential candidate who raised his campaign from the grassroots up, an extraordinary feat by any measure, is more than enough to suggest he is a man of action, and not just a man of words. Thus, you have not provided sufficient argument to convince me that Obama is merely a man of words and not a man of action.</p>
<p>Now, saying Shy has no right to make a comment at all about Obama&#8217;s politics simply because she herself hasn&#8217;t won a Nobel peace prize would be a &#8220;personal attack.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, what is all this talk of action and words as mutually exclusive? Whatever happened to the old proverb about a pen being mightier than the sword?</p>
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