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		<title>By: nemogbr</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-128715</link>
		<dc:creator>nemogbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been reading this and I&#039;m puzzled. The joke with filipinos is that the daughters get married and move in with the husband&#039;s family. Whilst the son get married and move the wife in. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The girls tended to take care of the parents. Not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been reading this and I&#39;m puzzled. The joke with filipinos is that the daughters get married and move in with the husband&#39;s family. Whilst the son get married and move the wife in. </p>
<p>The girls tended to take care of the parents. Not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: nemogbr</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-124990</link>
		<dc:creator>nemogbr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 07:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been reading this and I&#039;m puzzled. The joke with filipinos is that the daughters get married and move in with the husband&#039;s family. Whilst the son get married and move the wife in. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The girls tended to take care of the parents. Not the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been reading this and I&#39;m puzzled. The joke with filipinos is that the daughters get married and move in with the husband&#39;s family. Whilst the son get married and move the wife in. </p>
<p>The girls tended to take care of the parents. Not the other way around.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-62367</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A 40 year old who has lived his/her whole life in a small town in Iowa may have far less knowledge than a 20 year old who grew up in NYC and lived among a diverse palette of individuals.&quot;

You need to think carefully about what it is you&#039;re thinking and from there think carefully about what you are writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A 40 year old who has lived his/her whole life in a small town in Iowa may have far less knowledge than a 20 year old who grew up in NYC and lived among a diverse palette of individuals.&#8221;</p>
<p>You need to think carefully about what it is you&#8217;re thinking and from there think carefully about what you are writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-62351</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of course I’m speaking from my own perspective!&quot; Straw-man argument and/or red herring.  I never questioned your perspective.  I just was curious if your own parents were misogynistic and therefore may have informed your opinion.  That&#039;s all. 

&quot;I’ve done a lot of research in Asia (for Asian companies) to assess corporate cultures&quot;  Appeal to authority.  And, research in Asia, of Asian culture is very different thing from studying Asian American culture.  You&#039;d be wise to take some time and consider the implication of speaking of both cultures together.  You&#039;re addressing a very large group of people.  Do you know a lot of  nisei, sansei or yonsei families?  Maybe it would surprise you that Asian America is diverse.   The dominant hegemonic already demonizes Asians, and now we have a &#039;strong proud Asian American female&#039; doing it for them. 

&quot;My parents must have damaged me forever and ever. Why is being a feminist an automatic indication of poor upbringing?&quot;  I hope you&#039;re answering a previous comment by someone else and not mine.  Because I did not mean to insinuate this.  I think it&#039;s probably a sensitive issue and you may have over reacted.  It&#039;s been said that sarcasm is the resource of a weak mind.  I wouldn&#039;t sarcastically talk about parents damaging you, it kinda detracts from your &#039;perspective&#039;.

&quot;the use of personal attack are usually a last resort tactic when all original ideas have evaporated.&quot; Poisoning the well. 

I am not questioning whether there has been or is a reputation formed around some Asian cultures of son biases or misogyny.  But I am questioning why YOU don&#039;t seem to understand how this is a dated and located argument that shows no concern for the diversity and range that Asian culture is around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course I’m speaking from my own perspective!&#8221; Straw-man argument and/or red herring.  I never questioned your perspective.  I just was curious if your own parents were misogynistic and therefore may have informed your opinion.  That&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>&#8220;I’ve done a lot of research in Asia (for Asian companies) to assess corporate cultures&#8221;  Appeal to authority.  And, research in Asia, of Asian culture is very different thing from studying Asian American culture.  You&#8217;d be wise to take some time and consider the implication of speaking of both cultures together.  You&#8217;re addressing a very large group of people.  Do you know a lot of  nisei, sansei or yonsei families?  Maybe it would surprise you that Asian America is diverse.   The dominant hegemonic already demonizes Asians, and now we have a &#8217;strong proud Asian American female&#8217; doing it for them. </p>
<p>&#8220;My parents must have damaged me forever and ever. Why is being a feminist an automatic indication of poor upbringing?&#8221;  I hope you&#8217;re answering a previous comment by someone else and not mine.  Because I did not mean to insinuate this.  I think it&#8217;s probably a sensitive issue and you may have over reacted.  It&#8217;s been said that sarcasm is the resource of a weak mind.  I wouldn&#8217;t sarcastically talk about parents damaging you, it kinda detracts from your &#8216;perspective&#8217;.</p>
<p>&#8220;the use of personal attack are usually a last resort tactic when all original ideas have evaporated.&#8221; Poisoning the well. </p>
<p>I am not questioning whether there has been or is a reputation formed around some Asian cultures of son biases or misogyny.  But I am questioning why YOU don&#8217;t seem to understand how this is a dated and located argument that shows no concern for the diversity and range that Asian culture is around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-62344</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 15:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so, so, so sorry that your description above is what you think strong, outspoken, feminist Asian women are.  So sorry.  

Where in my post did I accuse Asian men?  I was speaking to the larger Asian community - not singling out men.  Asian women are just as guilty for perpetuating and maintaining an oppressive anti-woman ideology as men. 

My post was aimed at Asian parents who unreasonably favor boys over girls - parents would imply females and males (in this case I&#039;m not trying to exclude gay parents but I doubt gay parents would be in the same situation as straight couples.)  Yeah, and I know that the study refers to third children - but honestly is that a reasonable excuse for selective termination?  Just as inexcusable to me.  

Hey, I think the Asian community has a lot of problems collectively (as does ever other ethnic community in this country) - overuse of physical discipline, psychological intimidation to pressure children to do things they do not want to, lack of political involvement, devaluation of professions that do not require an MD or Esq, etc... - and I know the Asian community has a lot of strengths - dedication &amp; loyalty to family, a dogged work ethic.  Is it so wrong to call out the community for something that I believe to be a serious, serious weakness?  

Additionally, regardless of whether you believe the Asian community is misogynistic, the larger view of the community by outsiders is that it is.  All this infighting and calling women traitors and brainwashed doesn&#039;t help the cause.  I challenge you to read through any of my posts and find a place where I directly call Asian men weak and/or passive.  I would never demean men in that way.  I DO critique and criticize the community and some of the more pervasive and insidious problems I see in it.  Whatever you want to imply from my criticism is a reflection of your own experiences.
  
And uRB4N&#039;s law totally work!  Someone brought up Nazis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so, so, so sorry that your description above is what you think strong, outspoken, feminist Asian women are.  So sorry.  </p>
<p>Where in my post did I accuse Asian men?  I was speaking to the larger Asian community &#8211; not singling out men.  Asian women are just as guilty for perpetuating and maintaining an oppressive anti-woman ideology as men. </p>
<p>My post was aimed at Asian parents who unreasonably favor boys over girls &#8211; parents would imply females and males (in this case I&#8217;m not trying to exclude gay parents but I doubt gay parents would be in the same situation as straight couples.)  Yeah, and I know that the study refers to third children &#8211; but honestly is that a reasonable excuse for selective termination?  Just as inexcusable to me.  </p>
<p>Hey, I think the Asian community has a lot of problems collectively (as does ever other ethnic community in this country) &#8211; overuse of physical discipline, psychological intimidation to pressure children to do things they do not want to, lack of political involvement, devaluation of professions that do not require an MD or Esq, etc&#8230; &#8211; and I know the Asian community has a lot of strengths &#8211; dedication &amp; loyalty to family, a dogged work ethic.  Is it so wrong to call out the community for something that I believe to be a serious, serious weakness?  </p>
<p>Additionally, regardless of whether you believe the Asian community is misogynistic, the larger view of the community by outsiders is that it is.  All this infighting and calling women traitors and brainwashed doesn&#8217;t help the cause.  I challenge you to read through any of my posts and find a place where I directly call Asian men weak and/or passive.  I would never demean men in that way.  I DO critique and criticize the community and some of the more pervasive and insidious problems I see in it.  Whatever you want to imply from my criticism is a reflection of your own experiences.</p>
<p>And uRB4N&#8217;s law totally work!  Someone brought up Nazis!</p>
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		<title>By: tas</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-62338</link>
		<dc:creator>tas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s already been pointed out that your initial post was base on skewed facts, I’m sure you were jumping for joy to use contents out of context just so you can point out how Asian men are misogynistic. 

My last post did not attack you personally but you did manage to avoid all my points while going back to a null point. Love your tactics. Here is an actual personal attack, 

you are another brainwashed sellout who grew up reading Amy Tan book believing Asian men are Evil and White men are your savior. Your favorite movie growing up was Breakfast at Tiffany&#039;s and sixteen candles and had such hatred for being associated with Asian men (Donger). Then you go to college and meet more brainwashed girls with the same upbringing and form a bond of FemaNazi Asian girls who spreads skewed facts about Asian men and anyone who disagreed was insecure and jealous. You think Asian men are bound by tradition and sexist while Asian women are liberated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s already been pointed out that your initial post was base on skewed facts, I’m sure you were jumping for joy to use contents out of context just so you can point out how Asian men are misogynistic. </p>
<p>My last post did not attack you personally but you did manage to avoid all my points while going back to a null point. Love your tactics. Here is an actual personal attack, </p>
<p>you are another brainwashed sellout who grew up reading Amy Tan book believing Asian men are Evil and White men are your savior. Your favorite movie growing up was Breakfast at Tiffany&#8217;s and sixteen candles and had such hatred for being associated with Asian men (Donger). Then you go to college and meet more brainwashed girls with the same upbringing and form a bond of FemaNazi Asian girls who spreads skewed facts about Asian men and anyone who disagreed was insecure and jealous. You think Asian men are bound by tradition and sexist while Asian women are liberated.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-62331</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for those individuals attaking Jun just b/c of his youth.  Wow!  Ageism at its best.  I&#039;ve met a lot of people in their 40s and 50s who could use a dose of Jun&#039;s wisdom.  Age is absolutely no indication of intelligence or experience.  A 40 year old who has lived his/her whole life in a small town in Iowa may have far less knowledge than a 20 year old who grew up in NYC and lived among a diverse palette of individuals.  The only thing advanced age can signal is a slower metabolism and an increased risk for cardiovascular disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for those individuals attaking Jun just b/c of his youth.  Wow!  Ageism at its best.  I&#8217;ve met a lot of people in their 40s and 50s who could use a dose of Jun&#8217;s wisdom.  Age is absolutely no indication of intelligence or experience.  A 40 year old who has lived his/her whole life in a small town in Iowa may have far less knowledge than a 20 year old who grew up in NYC and lived among a diverse palette of individuals.  The only thing advanced age can signal is a slower metabolism and an increased risk for cardiovascular disease.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-62330</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 13:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I&#039;m speaking from my own perspective!  People, this is an opinion post.  

Disqualifying my perspective just b/c other cultures are rooted in misogyny and female violence doesn&#039;t lessen the guilt of Asian cultures.  Sure asian people don&#039;t engage in female genital mutilation or force it&#039;s women to wear burkas but it does engage in a lot of inequities big and small.  I&#039;ve done a lot of research in Asia (for Asian companies) to assess corporate cultures and some of the stuff I&#039;ve heard is horrifying.  I was once being recruited by a Korean company to work in their Seoul office.  When I brought up the issue of unfair treatment of women, this was the reps response.  &quot;Oh, don&#039;t worry.  They (men) won&#039;t treat you bad.  They know that you&#039;re American and they can&#039;t treat you that way. &quot;  Implying that the men think it&#039;s okay to treat Korean-raised women poorly but not American-raised women.  

What I think is humorous is that everything thinks somehow my childhood or my parents or negative experiences with men have something to do with my perspectives.  My parents must have damaged me forever and ever.  Why is being a feminist an automatic indication of poor upbringing?  Why are so many people intimidated by a woman with strong opinions and a strong voice?  Why do you feel the need to personally attack me rather than the ideas I have.  In my experience, the use of personal attack are usually a last resort tactic when all original ideas have evaporated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I&#8217;m speaking from my own perspective!  People, this is an opinion post.  </p>
<p>Disqualifying my perspective just b/c other cultures are rooted in misogyny and female violence doesn&#8217;t lessen the guilt of Asian cultures.  Sure asian people don&#8217;t engage in female genital mutilation or force it&#8217;s women to wear burkas but it does engage in a lot of inequities big and small.  I&#8217;ve done a lot of research in Asia (for Asian companies) to assess corporate cultures and some of the stuff I&#8217;ve heard is horrifying.  I was once being recruited by a Korean company to work in their Seoul office.  When I brought up the issue of unfair treatment of women, this was the reps response.  &#8220;Oh, don&#8217;t worry.  They (men) won&#8217;t treat you bad.  They know that you&#8217;re American and they can&#8217;t treat you that way. &#8221;  Implying that the men think it&#8217;s okay to treat Korean-raised women poorly but not American-raised women.  </p>
<p>What I think is humorous is that everything thinks somehow my childhood or my parents or negative experiences with men have something to do with my perspectives.  My parents must have damaged me forever and ever.  Why is being a feminist an automatic indication of poor upbringing?  Why are so many people intimidated by a woman with strong opinions and a strong voice?  Why do you feel the need to personally attack me rather than the ideas I have.  In my experience, the use of personal attack are usually a last resort tactic when all original ideas have evaporated.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/04/03/son-bias-misogyny/comment-page-1/#comment-62295</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Asian Cultures &amp; Asian/Asian-American parents&quot; ? Whoa. Both vague and specific. Who are you really speaking to? Your own parents? &quot;Makes me want to turn my back on my own culture.&quot;  What culture would that be? I think it&#039;s quite presumptuous to speak of a culture of being misogynist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Asian Cultures &amp; Asian/Asian-American parents&#8221; ? Whoa. Both vague and specific. Who are you really speaking to? Your own parents? &#8220;Makes me want to turn my back on my own culture.&#8221;  What culture would that be? I think it&#8217;s quite presumptuous to speak of a culture of being misogynist.</p>
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		<title>By: Anita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a little late to this thread, but wanted to add to the adoption thing.  As an adoptive mother and having met many adoptive parents during and after our adoption process, I do have some theories about why most people want to adopt girls.  I briefly skimmed the article that Ben posted and it also has the same theories, so I won&#039;t go into them.  But one thing that seems to shock everyone is that in Taiwan, the majority of babies adopted domestically are girls.  It&#039;s usually the boys that are left over and then made available for international adoption.  It seems counterintuitive when you know about the Asian cultural preference for boys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little late to this thread, but wanted to add to the adoption thing.  As an adoptive mother and having met many adoptive parents during and after our adoption process, I do have some theories about why most people want to adopt girls.  I briefly skimmed the article that Ben posted and it also has the same theories, so I won&#8217;t go into them.  But one thing that seems to shock everyone is that in Taiwan, the majority of babies adopted domestically are girls.  It&#8217;s usually the boys that are left over and then made available for international adoption.  It seems counterintuitive when you know about the Asian cultural preference for boys.</p>
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