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	<title>Comments on: A Sub-Culture of Pride: Why the Chinese Are So Patriotic</title>
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		<title>By: ttw</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/18/a-sub-culture-of-pride-why-the-chinese-are-so-patriotic/comment-page-1/#comment-124696</link>
		<dc:creator>ttw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read the ny times, dated july 23 - you&#039;ll find a similar article. not as good of course, it&#039;s actually pretty short and lacking, but its amusing since i just read it right before reading this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read the ny times, dated july 23 &#8211; you&#39;ll find a similar article. not as good of course, it&#39;s actually pretty short and lacking, but its amusing since i just read it right before reading this</p>
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		<title>By: ErnieAtLYD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErnieAtLYD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And from there, this news:  China one of the most optimistic nations&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.citizensugar.com/1805531&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.citizensugar.com/1805531&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And from there, this news:  China one of the most optimistic nations<br /><a href="http://www.citizensugar.com/1805531" rel="nofollow">http://www.citizensugar.com/1805531</a></p>
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		<title>By: A Sub-Culture of Pride: Why the Chinese Are So Patriotic &#171; ¡Qué Bien! 歐洲驚豔</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Sub-Culture of Pride: Why the Chinese Are So Patriotic &#171; ¡Qué Bien! 歐洲驚豔</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: uRB4N</title>
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		<dc:creator>uRB4N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coming from someone who&#039;s parents are Taiwanese, the reason why Taiwanese don&#039;t want to be lumped into the same catagory as Mainland Chinese is because China is still viewed as &quot;bad&quot; or &quot;ass backwards.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Asian people are label whores.  If China were to turn into, say, the beacon of a model civilization for the rest of the world, Taiwanese people would fight to be called &quot;Chinese.&quot;    It&#039;s no different than when the American colonies referred to themselves as British but when American rebels started to win the war, it was nothing but &quot;Yea, America, man.  America.  Fuck yea.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming from someone who&#39;s parents are Taiwanese, the reason why Taiwanese don&#39;t want to be lumped into the same catagory as Mainland Chinese is because China is still viewed as &#8220;bad&#8221; or &#8220;ass backwards.&#8221;</p>
<p>Asian people are label whores.  If China were to turn into, say, the beacon of a model civilization for the rest of the world, Taiwanese people would fight to be called &#8220;Chinese.&#8221;    It&#39;s no different than when the American colonies referred to themselves as British but when American rebels started to win the war, it was nothing but &#8220;Yea, America, man.  America.  Fuck yea.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Markland</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Markland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;when Hurricane Katrina happened, Americans plundered and looted; when 512 shook up China, the Chinese ran toward ground zero to rescue their countrymen).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, the difference here is that in America we&#039;re able to show the looting and unexcusable acts by our own people, and not just the acts of heroism. Did looting take place in China? I don&#039;t know... but I wouldn&#039;t trust that the Chinese gov&#039;t would show it if it did.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Great post, but I think this is one major facet you overlooked: that the propaganda works not just because of what they say, but because they don&#039;t allow you to hear, see, or read anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;when Hurricane Katrina happened, Americans plundered and looted; when 512 shook up China, the Chinese ran toward ground zero to rescue their countrymen).&#8221;</p>
<p>No, the difference here is that in America we&#39;re able to show the looting and unexcusable acts by our own people, and not just the acts of heroism. Did looting take place in China? I don&#39;t know&#8230; but I wouldn&#39;t trust that the Chinese gov&#39;t would show it if it did.</p>
<p>Great post, but I think this is one major facet you overlooked: that the propaganda works not just because of what they say, but because they don&#39;t allow you to hear, see, or read anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Asianmommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asianmommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 12:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow--that&#039;s a really interesting perspective.  I can see how easy it is to get caught up in all of the propaganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8211;that&#39;s a really interesting perspective.  I can see how easy it is to get caught up in all of the propaganda.</p>
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		<title>By: THE_BANANA_REPUBLIC</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE_BANANA_REPUBLIC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think so long as you recognize that you could be under the influence, you&#039;re above it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. </p>
<p>I think so long as you recognize that you could be under the influence, you&#39;re above it.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 04:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is Chinese as in ethnic Chinese which you can refer to as the Chinese dispora, and then there is Chinese to refer to those from mainland China. Taiwanese sometimes refers to those specifically born-and-raised in Taiwan, rather than those who are citizens of Taiwan or native Taiwanese, to differentiate from those whose roots are post-1945 immigrants from the Mainland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is Chinese as in ethnic Chinese which you can refer to as the Chinese dispora, and then there is Chinese to refer to those from mainland China. Taiwanese sometimes refers to those specifically born-and-raised in Taiwan, rather than those who are citizens of Taiwan or native Taiwanese, to differentiate from those whose roots are post-1945 immigrants from the Mainland.</p>
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		<title>By: JC John Sese Cuneta (謝施洗)</title>
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		<dc:creator>JC John Sese Cuneta (謝施洗)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, if you are from Taiwan, aren&#039;t you &quot;Chinese&quot; as well?  But you spoke like you aren&#039;t and that the only &quot;Chinese&quot; are the ones who are citizens of Mainland China or Red China.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d rather call them as they are known - &quot;Mainlanders&quot;.  Then Taiwanese, then the rest of us as &quot;Overseas  Chinese&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the Totalitarian Communism government (or Red China) doesn&#039;t really represent the Mainlanders.  But for fairness sake, they are slowly moving to the right towards Socialism.  The question now is, will it be Social-Democracy or Democratic-Socialism (which are deeply different)?  Or will they start a new form of Socialism (once again) - Totalitarian-Socialism?  But that I believe is another discussion for another day ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, if you are from Taiwan, aren&#39;t you &#8220;Chinese&#8221; as well?  But you spoke like you aren&#39;t and that the only &#8220;Chinese&#8221; are the ones who are citizens of Mainland China or Red China.</p>
<p>I&#39;d rather call them as they are known &#8211; &#8220;Mainlanders&#8221;.  Then Taiwanese, then the rest of us as &#8220;Overseas  Chinese&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think the Totalitarian Communism government (or Red China) doesn&#39;t really represent the Mainlanders.  But for fairness sake, they are slowly moving to the right towards Socialism.  The question now is, will it be Social-Democracy or Democratic-Socialism (which are deeply different)?  Or will they start a new form of Socialism (once again) &#8211; Totalitarian-Socialism?  But that I believe is another discussion for another day <img src='http://www.8asians.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ErnieAtLYD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ErnieAtLYD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry bout that - it was me.  That was the best link for WoAiNi ZhongGuo I could find.  I&#039;ll use the second link instead.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I like how a YouTube commenter called it a &quot;ZhongGuogasm.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry bout that &#8211; it was me.  That was the best link for WoAiNi ZhongGuo I could find.  I&#39;ll use the second link instead.</p>
<p>I like how a YouTube commenter called it a &#8220;ZhongGuogasm.&#8221;</p>
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