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	<title>Comments on: How the Chinese Insist I Am Chinese</title>
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		<title>By: globalcitz</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/21/how-the-chinese-insist-i-am-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-125431</link>
		<dc:creator>globalcitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You write in a slightly degrading manner towards those of Chinese descent describing your conversations as if being Taiwanese allows you a &quot;sense of superiority&quot; you describe white americans having.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write in a slightly degrading manner towards those of Chinese descent describing your conversations as if being Taiwanese allows you a &#8220;sense of superiority&#8221; you describe white americans having.</p>
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		<title>By: gameover</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/21/how-the-chinese-insist-i-am-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-116453</link>
		<dc:creator>gameover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Growing up, it never even crossed my mind that someone would doubt that I was American. I&#039;m definitely not a banana, but no one here in the states has ever even questioned that I was American (at least not to my face). Then I visited Taiwan, and I suffered something like an identity crisis. Maybe it&#039;s the homogeneous society and the posers who may pretend to be American. Or maybe they mean no disrespect but just define everyone by their ancestry, not their nationality or place of birth. I guess I could blame it on my Chinese being halfway decent. But it was an eye opener..

I haven&#039;t been to China so I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve faced what you have. I&#039;ve seen the flip side in Taiwan where they ask me what I consider myself and I say Chinese and they all go bonkers. I&#039;ve learned my lesson, I just say chinese-taiwanese. They can&#039;t argue with that. I wouldn&#039;t have any problem with Mainland Chinese insisting I am Chinese because really my grandparents all fled to Taiwan from China.. So sure, generations of my ancestors are from China and that should make me Chinese. I just hope they still feel that way in 30 years when China is the next superpower.. Still, even if I put myself in their shoes, why would the average joe even care about Taiwan reunification or independence? There should be more pleasant things to talk about..

I speak English all the time in Taiwan and no one ever stared. Maybe you were in a smaller city with little or no foreigners and it&#039;s just not everyday that they hear English? In fact, I commonly hear English being spoken.. Maybe it has something to do with the kind of places I go. But I don&#039;t think it&#039;d be that different if you were living in some hick farm town in Iowa and some New Yorkers come into town with their designer clothes and Long Island accent, people would look but I don&#039;t think they would think they&#039;re being rude and flaunting their status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Growing up, it never even crossed my mind that someone would doubt that I was American. I&#8217;m definitely not a banana, but no one here in the states has ever even questioned that I was American (at least not to my face). Then I visited Taiwan, and I suffered something like an identity crisis. Maybe it&#8217;s the homogeneous society and the posers who may pretend to be American. Or maybe they mean no disrespect but just define everyone by their ancestry, not their nationality or place of birth. I guess I could blame it on my Chinese being halfway decent. But it was an eye opener..</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t been to China so I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve faced what you have. I&#8217;ve seen the flip side in Taiwan where they ask me what I consider myself and I say Chinese and they all go bonkers. I&#8217;ve learned my lesson, I just say chinese-taiwanese. They can&#8217;t argue with that. I wouldn&#8217;t have any problem with Mainland Chinese insisting I am Chinese because really my grandparents all fled to Taiwan from China.. So sure, generations of my ancestors are from China and that should make me Chinese. I just hope they still feel that way in 30 years when China is the next superpower.. Still, even if I put myself in their shoes, why would the average joe even care about Taiwan reunification or independence? There should be more pleasant things to talk about..</p>
<p>I speak English all the time in Taiwan and no one ever stared. Maybe you were in a smaller city with little or no foreigners and it&#8217;s just not everyday that they hear English? In fact, I commonly hear English being spoken.. Maybe it has something to do with the kind of places I go. But I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;d be that different if you were living in some hick farm town in Iowa and some New Yorkers come into town with their designer clothes and Long Island accent, people would look but I don&#8217;t think they would think they&#8217;re being rude and flaunting their status.</p>
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		<title>By: LM</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/21/how-the-chinese-insist-i-am-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-105082</link>
		<dc:creator>LM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re white and speaking English in public in China, then that’s okay. Nobody looks at you funny.&quot;

That&#039;s totally not true. If you&#039;re white, everybody looks at you funny ALL the time, regardless of what you&#039;re speaking. 

Chinese are &quot;tolerant&quot; but extremely condescending to caucasians, who they assume are all rich but kinda dim. For those of us who&#039;ve spent much of our lives in China and are fluent in Mandarin, it&#039;s just as bad to have our fluent Mandarin answered by incomprensible Chinglish. And some, even after registering, will make crude jokes about us right in front of our faces.

Not all, but a substantial enough few; most Chinese are well-intentioned but just ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re white and speaking English in public in China, then that’s okay. Nobody looks at you funny.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s totally not true. If you&#8217;re white, everybody looks at you funny ALL the time, regardless of what you&#8217;re speaking. </p>
<p>Chinese are &#8220;tolerant&#8221; but extremely condescending to caucasians, who they assume are all rich but kinda dim. For those of us who&#8217;ve spent much of our lives in China and are fluent in Mandarin, it&#8217;s just as bad to have our fluent Mandarin answered by incomprensible Chinglish. And some, even after registering, will make crude jokes about us right in front of our faces.</p>
<p>Not all, but a substantial enough few; most Chinese are well-intentioned but just ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/21/how-the-chinese-insist-i-am-chinese/comment-page-1/#comment-101167</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a strain of tyranny amongst China and its citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a strain of tyranny amongst China and its citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: aibo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aibo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ignore those people who try to define you according to how they see the world. This is the unfortunate state of the world now, and I&#039;m not sure it can be corrected because it&#039;s so hard to get people to see things from other points of view. Maybe with the Olympics and China&#039;s continuing openness more people will acknowledge that being an ethnically Chinese person can span such a vast spectrum of identities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignore those people who try to define you according to how they see the world. This is the unfortunate state of the world now, and I&#8217;m not sure it can be corrected because it&#8217;s so hard to get people to see things from other points of view. Maybe with the Olympics and China&#8217;s continuing openness more people will acknowledge that being an ethnically Chinese person can span such a vast spectrum of identities.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a very, very good post.  I totally agree with you one-hundred percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very, very good post.  I totally agree with you one-hundred percent.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s exactly what i think&lt;br&gt;i m a cantonese chinese, my race is han. i can speak cantonese and mandarin, my homeplace is Toishan(Hoisonn/Taishan) city, Guandong(gwong dung) province&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;i really dont want to get into any political debate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#39;s exactly what i think<br />i m a cantonese chinese, my race is han. i can speak cantonese and mandarin, my homeplace is Toishan(Hoisonn/Taishan) city, Guandong(gwong dung) province</p>
<p>i really dont want to get into any political debate</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i m a chinese but a lot stangers think that &quot;my sister and i are latinos&quot; often.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;u know what is the different between hua ren and zhong guo ren (cantonese: wah yean and jhon gok yean)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i m a chinese but a lot stangers think that &#8220;my sister and i are latinos&#8221; often.</p>
<p>u know what is the different between hua ren and zhong guo ren (cantonese: wah yean and jhon gok yean)?</p>
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		<title>By: charvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>charvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The native Chinese hold the same thought as mainstream white America: that you’re not really an American unless you’re white. What I never knew before was how pervasive the ignorance really was. &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wouldn&#039;t say this idea is &quot;ignorance&quot; at all.  In pretty much most of the world outside North America, Australia and other immigrant nations, nationality is pretty much synonymous with ethnicity.  Chinese (and others) equate &quot;being American&quot; with being of European descent because that&#039;s the model they know and understand.  I believe it has absolutely nothing to do with America exporting this idea through its media representations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m an American of Euro descent, or &quot;white.&quot;  If I had been born in China and grew up like any other Chinese person, would the Chinese ever consider me &quot;really Chinese?&quot;  Not in a million years!  Yet, they would consider someone of Chinese descent born and raised outside of China, who can&#039;t even speak the Chinese language, &quot;Chinese.&quot;  This isn&#039;t wrong, it&#039;s just natural -- most people naturally equate ethnicity with nationality because, in the vast majority of the world that&#039;s the way it is.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;America, Canada and a handful of other immigrant countries are exceptions to the rule.  Historically, the vast majority of Americans have been of Euro descent.  The idea of being American is tied to belonging to a certain ethnicity in many Americans&#039; minds and certainly in foreigners&#039; minds because that is the model they know.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is changing as the ethnic makeup of America changes.  In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, America experienced huge waves of immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe and Ireland.  The mostly English-descended Americans at the time really looked down upon the newcomers and didn&#039;t consider them &quot;authentic&quot; Americans.  For example, at that time &quot;Italian-Americans&quot; were considered not really American and suffered real discrimination.  That changed as those ethnicities assimilated into general American culture.  Now the same thing is happening with Americans of Asian descent, one of the newer immigrant groups to arrive on American shores.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I know of no other country (well, Canada maybe) that is as welcoming of people from all ethnicities and backgrounds as the USA.  Yes, sometimes people say &quot;Where are you from, really?&quot; I know this is offensive, but I believe it&#039;s human.  I&#039;ve heard the same thing asked of naturalized white Americans who have funny accents.  This will continue to happen for people who are noticeably &quot;different&quot; from the majority until ethnicities are mixed evenly throughout all countries of the world.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just my $.02.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;charvey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The native Chinese hold the same thought as mainstream white America: that you’re not really an American unless you’re white. What I never knew before was how pervasive the ignorance really was. &#8220;</p>
<p>I wouldn&#39;t say this idea is &#8220;ignorance&#8221; at all.  In pretty much most of the world outside North America, Australia and other immigrant nations, nationality is pretty much synonymous with ethnicity.  Chinese (and others) equate &#8220;being American&#8221; with being of European descent because that&#39;s the model they know and understand.  I believe it has absolutely nothing to do with America exporting this idea through its media representations.</p>
<p>I&#39;m an American of Euro descent, or &#8220;white.&#8221;  If I had been born in China and grew up like any other Chinese person, would the Chinese ever consider me &#8220;really Chinese?&#8221;  Not in a million years!  Yet, they would consider someone of Chinese descent born and raised outside of China, who can&#39;t even speak the Chinese language, &#8220;Chinese.&#8221;  This isn&#39;t wrong, it&#39;s just natural &#8212; most people naturally equate ethnicity with nationality because, in the vast majority of the world that&#39;s the way it is.</p>
<p>America, Canada and a handful of other immigrant countries are exceptions to the rule.  Historically, the vast majority of Americans have been of Euro descent.  The idea of being American is tied to belonging to a certain ethnicity in many Americans&#39; minds and certainly in foreigners&#39; minds because that is the model they know.  </p>
<p>This is changing as the ethnic makeup of America changes.  In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, America experienced huge waves of immigration from Eastern and Southern Europe and Ireland.  The mostly English-descended Americans at the time really looked down upon the newcomers and didn&#39;t consider them &#8220;authentic&#8221; Americans.  For example, at that time &#8220;Italian-Americans&#8221; were considered not really American and suffered real discrimination.  That changed as those ethnicities assimilated into general American culture.  Now the same thing is happening with Americans of Asian descent, one of the newer immigrant groups to arrive on American shores.</p>
<p>I know of no other country (well, Canada maybe) that is as welcoming of people from all ethnicities and backgrounds as the USA.  Yes, sometimes people say &#8220;Where are you from, really?&#8221; I know this is offensive, but I believe it&#39;s human.  I&#39;ve heard the same thing asked of naturalized white Americans who have funny accents.  This will continue to happen for people who are noticeably &#8220;different&#8221; from the majority until ethnicities are mixed evenly throughout all countries of the world.</p>
<p>Just my $.02.</p>
<p>charvey</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confuse-Us - you make a good point:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Why would you expect the Chinese to be more aware of the nuances of American society than Americans themselves?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; jozjozjoz   - as I had mentioned before, Chinese can be used in two different ways - ethnic (Han) Chinese and Chinese, as a citizen of China / People&#039;s Republic of China. I think most Taiwanese would say that they are ethnic (Han) Chinese.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confuse-Us &#8211; you make a good point:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why would you expect the Chinese to be more aware of the nuances of American society than Americans themselves?&#8221;</p>
<p> jozjozjoz   &#8211; as I had mentioned before, Chinese can be used in two different ways &#8211; ethnic (Han) Chinese and Chinese, as a citizen of China / People&#39;s Republic of China. I think most Taiwanese would say that they are ethnic (Han) Chinese.</p>
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