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	<title>Comments on: Esther Ku: Last Comic Standing</title>
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		<title>By: manaa</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/24/a-comic-with-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-126704</link>
		<dc:creator>manaa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I usually dont&#039; take jokes by comedians too seriously, but when its based on &quot;real&quot; beliefs..then it becomes disturbing and is not a joke anymore..read her blog to get and insight of what shes thinks of being asian..&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&amp;friendId=8855993&amp;blogId=510443130&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=b...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I usually dont&#39; take jokes by comedians too seriously, but when its based on &#8220;real&#8221; beliefs..then it becomes disturbing and is not a joke anymore..read her blog to get and insight of what shes thinks of being asian..</p>
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		<title>By: aj</title>
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		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote]The fact that certain Asian American (women) believe in this stereotype doesn&#039;t legitimize Ku&#039;s pathetic brand of &quot;humor&quot;; it only shows how racism is an integral part of American culture in general. It&#039;s taken for granted as self-evident, just like breathing.[/quote]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;very well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote]The fact that certain Asian American (women) believe in this stereotype doesn&#39;t legitimize Ku&#39;s pathetic brand of &#8220;humor&#8221;; it only shows how racism is an integral part of American culture in general. It&#39;s taken for granted as self-evident, just like breathing.[/quote]</p>
<p>very well said.</p>
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		<title>By: Smarter (and funnier) than you</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smarter (and funnier) than you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 11:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy crap! So much for all asians being smart. Brian, she&#039;s a comedian, so yes the point it she should be funny. I haven&#039;t read anyone saying her jokes &quot;aren&#039;t grounded in truth&quot;. In fact you would have to be really, really stupid to tell a joke that isn&#039;t based on some truth that people can related to. But just telling the truth isn&#039;t the basis for a stand-up routine. &quot;Hey everyone! Why is it that all asians are good at math?&quot;. Wow, isn&#039;t that funny? Isn&#039;t that witty and insightful? No, it&#039;s not for those of you who can&#039;t figure it out. And as for some people laughing in that clip, sure, some people will laugh. In fact, if I stood up at a comedy club and said my above joke, I&#039;ll bet you some people would laugh. It still doesn&#039;t make it funny. As for some people hating Chris Rock, of course some people find him not funny. In fact, there isn&#039;t a comedian alive that everyone on the planet finds funny, however he&#039;s very successful which is some kind of barometer that *a lot* of people find him funny. So you&#039;re ridiculous proof by analogy doesn&#039;t hold water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy crap! So much for all asians being smart. Brian, she&#39;s a comedian, so yes the point it she should be funny. I haven&#39;t read anyone saying her jokes &#8220;aren&#39;t grounded in truth&#8221;. In fact you would have to be really, really stupid to tell a joke that isn&#39;t based on some truth that people can related to. But just telling the truth isn&#39;t the basis for a stand-up routine. &#8220;Hey everyone! Why is it that all asians are good at math?&#8221;. Wow, isn&#39;t that funny? Isn&#39;t that witty and insightful? No, it&#39;s not for those of you who can&#39;t figure it out. And as for some people laughing in that clip, sure, some people will laugh. In fact, if I stood up at a comedy club and said my above joke, I&#39;ll bet you some people would laugh. It still doesn&#39;t make it funny. As for some people hating Chris Rock, of course some people find him not funny. In fact, there isn&#39;t a comedian alive that everyone on the planet finds funny, however he&#39;s very successful which is some kind of barometer that *a lot* of people find him funny. So you&#39;re ridiculous proof by analogy doesn&#39;t hold water.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Chau</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/24/a-comic-with-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-124781</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Chau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of us aren&#039;t ready to hear this kind of humor.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am among those not ready to hear it.  My first thought at hearing the &quot;Asian girls are out of Asian guys league&quot; joke was when I asked out a vietnamese gal in highschool and her reply was, &quot;I only date white guys.&quot;  instead of &quot;I&#039;m not interested.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can&#039;t fault her for her naivete (we we&#039;re in highschool and kids are mean) but I can fault her for what I felt at the time was a complete betrayal to all Asian peoples.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course this kind of humor is always dangerous since we&#039;re not all in the same place and it&#039;s important to approach it carefully with the expectation that it may not be what you want to hear.  That&#039;s what I&#039;m trying to do in my quest to not get worked up over racial/identity issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of us aren&#39;t ready to hear this kind of humor.  </p>
<p>I am among those not ready to hear it.  My first thought at hearing the &#8220;Asian girls are out of Asian guys league&#8221; joke was when I asked out a vietnamese gal in highschool and her reply was, &#8220;I only date white guys.&#8221;  instead of &#8220;I&#39;m not interested.&#8221;</p>
<p>I can&#39;t fault her for her naivete (we we&#39;re in highschool and kids are mean) but I can fault her for what I felt at the time was a complete betrayal to all Asian peoples.  </p>
<p>Of course this kind of humor is always dangerous since we&#39;re not all in the same place and it&#39;s important to approach it carefully with the expectation that it may not be what you want to hear.  That&#39;s what I&#39;m trying to do in my quest to not get worked up over racial/identity issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Seraphim1991</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seraphim1991</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 15:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is everyone so angry at?  Brian made a comment.  Some people don&#039;t agree with the comment.  You responded.  He is leading you in circles by using inflammatory language, and you just keep responding angrily.  What are you trying to prove?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I thought some of Esther Ku&#039;s stuff was funny.  Some of it wasn&#039;t.  Some of it might of had some sort of commentary behind it, but most of it was just her trying to be funny.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So it might be racist. Some people might have laughed at it because they believed the stereotypes.  I laughed because I saw the absurdity of the stereotype.  I don&#039;t think it propagated racism.  People aren&#039;t going to suddenly decide that all asians are losers just because Esther Ku said so.  If they believe that, they are already racist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is everyone so angry at?  Brian made a comment.  Some people don&#39;t agree with the comment.  You responded.  He is leading you in circles by using inflammatory language, and you just keep responding angrily.  What are you trying to prove?</p>
<p>I thought some of Esther Ku&#39;s stuff was funny.  Some of it wasn&#39;t.  Some of it might of had some sort of commentary behind it, but most of it was just her trying to be funny.  </p>
<p>So it might be racist. Some people might have laughed at it because they believed the stereotypes.  I laughed because I saw the absurdity of the stereotype.  I don&#39;t think it propagated racism.  People aren&#39;t going to suddenly decide that all asians are losers just because Esther Ku said so.  If they believe that, they are already racist.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/24/a-comic-with-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-124779</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why didn&#039;t you ignore me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why didn&#39;t you ignore me?</p>
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		<title>By: Ko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually figured out that the reason why Asian America is still stuck in the same situation can be outlined by the comments in this thread.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I used to think that there were outside sources were at work that prevented Asian America from moving forward but I do agree that it&#039;s 100% the fault of Asian Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually figured out that the reason why Asian America is still stuck in the same situation can be outlined by the comments in this thread.  </p>
<p>I used to think that there were outside sources were at work that prevented Asian America from moving forward but I do agree that it&#39;s 100% the fault of Asian Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: Ko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unless a message is closed ended, it can be interpreted many different ways.  Who are you to tell someone their interpretation is wrong?  Also, how are you able to gauge  the audience&#039;s view on it?  How do you know they were laughing at the irony or actually laughing at Asian men which will perpetuate a stereotype?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;One good example is that Dave Chappelle quit his show when he realized that white viewers and support staff were actually laughing AT blacks in racially charged skits, not at the idiocy of racism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Christ, the arrogance on you.  What a great way to get people ignore whatever you have to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,</p>
<p>Unless a message is closed ended, it can be interpreted many different ways.  Who are you to tell someone their interpretation is wrong?  Also, how are you able to gauge  the audience&#39;s view on it?  How do you know they were laughing at the irony or actually laughing at Asian men which will perpetuate a stereotype?</p>
<p>One good example is that Dave Chappelle quit his show when he realized that white viewers and support staff were actually laughing AT blacks in racially charged skits, not at the idiocy of racism.</p>
<p>Christ, the arrogance on you.  What a great way to get people ignore whatever you have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: minoritymilitant</title>
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		<dc:creator>minoritymilitant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if you’re going to criticize the subject matter of her material, then apply that criticism uniformly.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think someone&#039;s mad. I think we did &quot;criticize&quot; the subject matter, but your retort was insufficient. No need to continue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if you’re going to criticize the subject matter of her material, then apply that criticism uniformly.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think someone&#39;s mad. I think we did &#8220;criticize&#8221; the subject matter, but your retort was insufficient. No need to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: lxy</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/07/24/a-comic-with-standing/comment-page-1/#comment-124775</link>
		<dc:creator>lxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is basically a lame defense of Esther Ku&#039;s pandering to the same old White racist bullshit about Asian men being emasculated, etc. The fact that certain Asian American (women) believe in this stereotype doesn&#039;t legitimize Ku&#039;s pathetic brand of &quot;humor&quot;; it only shows how racism is an integral part of American culture in general. It&#039;s taken for granted as self-evident, just like breathing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And if you look at Brian&#039;s rant, he doesn&#039;t really address the racist nature of Ku&#039;s comedy. He only whines that the &quot;Comedy police&quot; (whatever the hell this is) doesn&#039;t also criticize other minority comedians for the supposed ly same type of comedy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First of all, I don&#039;t know who or what this &quot;comedy police&quot; is, except a lame catch-phrase with no meaning. If you are talking about Asian Americans who criticize Ku&#039;s comedy, they primarily focus on her because, guess what, they are Asian Americans and are firstly concerned about AA issues. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are also plenty of African Americans, for example, who will criticize the comedy of Chris Rock or other African American comedians for the stereotypes they pimp.  So your &quot;concern&quot; about this issue does not seem to be warranted. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, Howard Stern-style rants and faux attitude is not a substitute for an actual argument, no matter what the American media tells you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is basically a lame defense of Esther Ku&#39;s pandering to the same old White racist bullshit about Asian men being emasculated, etc. The fact that certain Asian American (women) believe in this stereotype doesn&#39;t legitimize Ku&#39;s pathetic brand of &#8220;humor&#8221;; it only shows how racism is an integral part of American culture in general. It&#39;s taken for granted as self-evident, just like breathing. </p>
<p>And if you look at Brian&#39;s rant, he doesn&#39;t really address the racist nature of Ku&#39;s comedy. He only whines that the &#8220;Comedy police&#8221; (whatever the hell this is) doesn&#39;t also criticize other minority comedians for the supposed ly same type of comedy. </p>
<p>First of all, I don&#39;t know who or what this &#8220;comedy police&#8221; is, except a lame catch-phrase with no meaning. If you are talking about Asian Americans who criticize Ku&#39;s comedy, they primarily focus on her because, guess what, they are Asian Americans and are firstly concerned about AA issues. </p>
<p>There are also plenty of African Americans, for example, who will criticize the comedy of Chris Rock or other African American comedians for the stereotypes they pimp.  So your &#8220;concern&#8221; about this issue does not seem to be warranted. </p>
<p>BTW, Howard Stern-style rants and faux attitude is not a substitute for an actual argument, no matter what the American media tells you.</p>
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