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	<title>Comments on: Obama campaign needs to lose 80/20</title>
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		<title>By: Active Web Activism: Militant and Alpha-Asian &#124; big WOWO</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-128179</link>
		<dc:creator>Active Web Activism: Militant and Alpha-Asian &#124; big WOWO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] terms of the possible recipients of those causes, I&#8217;m against the 80/20 Initiative, much like 8A and Reappropriate.  I think S.B. Woo is an unethical slime.  However, it looks like they&#8217;re [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] terms of the possible recipients of those causes, I&#8217;m against the 80/20 Initiative, much like 8A and Reappropriate.  I think S.B. Woo is an unethical slime.  However, it looks like they&#8217;re [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-98730</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point here though isn&#039;t about email &quot;blitzkriegs&quot; in general.   I have no issues with that either.   But there is a fundamental ethical, and at least for corporate, legal use of how e-mail lists are created and maintained.

I don&#039;t take to those that don&#039;t set up an opt-in list, and instead claim they have this huge following, but it&#039;s culled from just looking for asian names on massive email lists and then put together.   I could do the same thing.   I&#039;ll call it the Smith PAC, and I&#039;ll just go ahead and buy all the email lists I have and rip out all the Smith names.   Could you imagine the power behind the Smith, and Jones PACs?  Ohhh yeah.  Not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point here though isn&#8217;t about email &#8220;blitzkriegs&#8221; in general.   I have no issues with that either.   But there is a fundamental ethical, and at least for corporate, legal use of how e-mail lists are created and maintained.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take to those that don&#8217;t set up an opt-in list, and instead claim they have this huge following, but it&#8217;s culled from just looking for asian names on massive email lists and then put together.   I could do the same thing.   I&#8217;ll call it the Smith PAC, and I&#8217;ll just go ahead and buy all the email lists I have and rip out all the Smith names.   Could you imagine the power behind the Smith, and Jones PACs?  Ohhh yeah.  Not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-139214</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point here though isn&#039;t about email &quot;blitzkriegs&quot; in general.   I have no issues with that either.   But there is a fundamental ethical, and at least for corporate, legal use of how e-mail lists are created and maintained.

I don&#039;t take to those that don&#039;t set up an opt-in list, and instead claim they have this huge following, but it&#039;s culled from just looking for asian names on massive email lists and then put together.   I could do the same thing.   I&#039;ll call it the Smith PAC, and I&#039;ll just go ahead and buy all the email lists I have and rip out all the Smith names.   Could you imagine the power behind the Smith, and Jones PACs?  Ohhh yeah.  Not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point here though isn&#8217;t about email &#8220;blitzkriegs&#8221; in general.   I have no issues with that either.   But there is a fundamental ethical, and at least for corporate, legal use of how e-mail lists are created and maintained.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take to those that don&#8217;t set up an opt-in list, and instead claim they have this huge following, but it&#8217;s culled from just looking for asian names on massive email lists and then put together.   I could do the same thing.   I&#8217;ll call it the Smith PAC, and I&#8217;ll just go ahead and buy all the email lists I have and rip out all the Smith names.   Could you imagine the power behind the Smith, and Jones PACs?  Ohhh yeah.  Not.</p>
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		<title>By: Akrypti</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-98721</link>
		<dc:creator>Akrypti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not against e-mail blitzkriegs that seek to get the word out about a social, political, or other general activist concern. Even though I fundamentally disagree with 80-20&#039;s views, approaches, and personalities, I&#039;m glad they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not against e-mail blitzkriegs that seek to get the word out about a social, political, or other general activist concern. Even though I fundamentally disagree with 80-20&#8242;s views, approaches, and personalities, I&#8217;m glad they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Akrypti</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-139213</link>
		<dc:creator>Akrypti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not against e-mail blitzkriegs that seek to get the word out about a social, political, or other general activist concern. Even though I fundamentally disagree with 80-20&#039;s views, approaches, and personalities, I&#039;m glad they exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not against e-mail blitzkriegs that seek to get the word out about a social, political, or other general activist concern. Even though I fundamentally disagree with 80-20&#8242;s views, approaches, and personalities, I&#8217;m glad they exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-98541</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>80-20 is a joke.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-139212</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>80-20 is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>80-20 is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: jaehwan</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2008/10/10/obama-campaign-needs-to-lose-8020/comment-page-1/#comment-98332</link>
		<dc:creator>jaehwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

PACs rarely go both ways.  They usually lean one way or the other.  I just checked out the NRA Political Victory Fund, and they simply say that they rank a candidate &quot;irrespective of party affiliation.&quot;  This is accurate, as most NRA people are Repubs, although the organization has crossed party lines.  They&#039;re not nonpartisan.

S.B. Woo is no longer the president of 80-20, but he&#039;s still the de-facto leader.  Back in the day after S.B.&#039;s first term was up, the terms of the 80/20 bylaws said that someone had to run against him.  Because all the members were his cronies and friends, no one bothered running.  So S.B. had his wife &quot;run&quot; against him just so he could claim he had some opposition.  I wish I were making this up, but I&#039;m not.  He&#039;s been holding on tightly to the reins ever since.  

If you look at the press releases by the current president, she&#039;s constantly quoting S.B., mostly because S.B. is usually the one on the front line making his demands and issuing his threats against people who ignore him.  You can see this by checking their website, or Google cache for the stuff they erase.  Or you can just check your spam folder.  S.B. has been the leader, and he&#039;s still the leader.  The titles of the leadership, much like the e-mail list, are just a way for Woo to make the organization look legitimate to the public. 

Another thing about the &quot;nonpartisan&quot; claim: they back this up by saying they have an equal number of Dems and Repubs on their committee, along with Independents.  S.B. was a lifelong Democrat, so he converted to an Independent and then said that now the committee had equal representation.  If this sounds fishy and sleazy, it&#039;s because it is.

Also, if the election goes my way, I&#039;m going to claim that I personally swung it.  After all, I did send that Sarah Palin interview to a number of my friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>PACs rarely go both ways.  They usually lean one way or the other.  I just checked out the NRA Political Victory Fund, and they simply say that they rank a candidate &#8220;irrespective of party affiliation.&#8221;  This is accurate, as most NRA people are Repubs, although the organization has crossed party lines.  They&#8217;re not nonpartisan.</p>
<p>S.B. Woo is no longer the president of 80-20, but he&#8217;s still the de-facto leader.  Back in the day after S.B.&#8217;s first term was up, the terms of the 80/20 bylaws said that someone had to run against him.  Because all the members were his cronies and friends, no one bothered running.  So S.B. had his wife &#8220;run&#8221; against him just so he could claim he had some opposition.  I wish I were making this up, but I&#8217;m not.  He&#8217;s been holding on tightly to the reins ever since.  </p>
<p>If you look at the press releases by the current president, she&#8217;s constantly quoting S.B., mostly because S.B. is usually the one on the front line making his demands and issuing his threats against people who ignore him.  You can see this by checking their website, or Google cache for the stuff they erase.  Or you can just check your spam folder.  S.B. has been the leader, and he&#8217;s still the leader.  The titles of the leadership, much like the e-mail list, are just a way for Woo to make the organization look legitimate to the public. </p>
<p>Another thing about the &#8220;nonpartisan&#8221; claim: they back this up by saying they have an equal number of Dems and Repubs on their committee, along with Independents.  S.B. was a lifelong Democrat, so he converted to an Independent and then said that now the committee had equal representation.  If this sounds fishy and sleazy, it&#8217;s because it is.</p>
<p>Also, if the election goes my way, I&#8217;m going to claim that I personally swung it.  After all, I did send that Sarah Palin interview to a number of my friends.</p>
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