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		<title>By: 8Asians.com &#187; On Asian-American Academic Pressure: Mission San Jose Students Talk Back: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>8Asians.com &#187; On Asian-American Academic Pressure: Mission San Jose Students Talk Back: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andrew: &#8230; When students at Mission graduate and get out of the Fremont/Bay Area bubble, they’ll [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Asian, stereotypes, model minority, and MSJ &#171; sophiastication, whatever that means</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asian, stereotypes, model minority, and MSJ &#171; sophiastication, whatever that means</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] January 14, 2009   I&#8217;m not sure what to think after reading the San Jose Mercury News article High grades, high stress for Asian-American students in Bay Area, and the subsequent response by one of 8Asians. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a former high-achieving Chinese MSJHS student, and I have to say that I&#039;m a little tired of various news agencies using my school as the centerpiece of their irresponsible shock stories. The hyper-achieving, nerd-school stereotype exists because it&#039;s in many ways true, but the media has decided to focus only on the negative side of it. Is attending a &quot;normal&quot; high school somehow better or healthier? Schools where only two-thirds of the student body can be reasonably be expected to show up to school every day, where only a handful of students graduate, let alone go to college, schools with serious gang problems and high rates of teen pregnancy? By ignoring the hard work and achievements of the students in favor of writing a juicy story with a gratuitously racist title, the media too often do a disservice to the students (and the faculty!) of MSJ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a former high-achieving Chinese MSJHS student, and I have to say that I&#8217;m a little tired of various news agencies using my school as the centerpiece of their irresponsible shock stories. The hyper-achieving, nerd-school stereotype exists because it&#8217;s in many ways true, but the media has decided to focus only on the negative side of it. Is attending a &#8220;normal&#8221; high school somehow better or healthier? Schools where only two-thirds of the student body can be reasonably be expected to show up to school every day, where only a handful of students graduate, let alone go to college, schools with serious gang problems and high rates of teen pregnancy? By ignoring the hard work and achievements of the students in favor of writing a juicy story with a gratuitously racist title, the media too often do a disservice to the students (and the faculty!) of MSJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Calvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I graduated from MSJ last year too, and I have my own thoughts about the school and the environment that it fosters. I just wanted to comment that the bit about 70% of Mission cheating is egregiously untrue and detracts from the hard work that Mission students put in. Granted, cheating does occur, as it does at every school. In fact, I&#039;d argue that less cheating occurs at Mission, just based on personal experience. It is possible to &quot;compete&quot; and do well at Mission without having to resort to dishonest measures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I graduated from MSJ last year too, and I have my own thoughts about the school and the environment that it fosters. I just wanted to comment that the bit about 70% of Mission cheating is egregiously untrue and detracts from the hard work that Mission students put in. Granted, cheating does occur, as it does at every school. In fact, I&#8217;d argue that less cheating occurs at Mission, just based on personal experience. It is possible to &#8220;compete&#8221; and do well at Mission without having to resort to dishonest measures.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew - thanks for your personal observations and thoughts! We really appreciate it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew &#8211; thanks for your personal observations and thoughts! We really appreciate it!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Taiwanese-American, and I graduated from Mission San Jose last year. I have lived through, and therefore completely understand, the Asian American stress storm and everything that stems from it. Yes, the stereotypes are true for many students at MSJ. We&#039;re stressed out, we take as many advanced courses as we can, we pursue our extracurricular activities for college applications as much as for pleasure. And everything counts for &quot;the future&quot;, which is typically undergraduate studies at a good UC or Ivy League, a good degree, a good job, financial security, and everything the typical Asian parent wants out of their kids.

But for every Asian American student at Mission who gets on the same stereotypical fast track through stress to success, there is a non-Asian student who is under just as much pressure from his parents and himself, and several Asian Americans who defy stereotypes and have their priorities in different aspects of life. Many of my peers couldn&#039;t care less about becoming doctors and lawyers and use the pressure they can feel around them to fuel their artistic talent or pursue music instead. What I mean is, the stress surrounding MSJ&#039;s student life is not a myth, but neither is it the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but.

I don&#039;t approve of all the stress that the Mission environment places on its students, but it really is a good school, and shouldn&#039;t be defined solely by being the archetype of everything that is unhealthy about the work- and success-driven Asian American culture. I&#039;m tired of all the news agencies looking for a story and zeroing in on my high school in order to prove that STRESS IS BAD!!! Of course stress isn&#039;t healthy, and of course Asian American students are under a lot of it. But we deal with it, and whether or not Mission SOS (the student organization that made the Grace Lee video, which was only founded my Senior year) really does help the students, the students themselves are smart enough to deal with it and not suffer mental breakdowns.

Also, it is generally agreed among Mission students that the CNN report on Asian students being smarter was absolutely ridiculous and did nothing but further negative stereotypes against MSJ as a school.

When students at Mission graduate and get out of the Fremont/Bay Area bubble, they&#039;ll discover what the real world is like, and it&#039;ll be tough for some to adjust. But at least they will, and they&#039;ll grow up just like I&#039;m still growing up and learning, and realize for themselves what is really worth more in life: grades or LIVING. Until then, the national competition to get into college is predicted to peak this year and then settle, and generations of Asian Americans with less culturally conservative parents are reaching high school age, as current high school students learn their own limits and relax... and life goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Taiwanese-American, and I graduated from Mission San Jose last year. I have lived through, and therefore completely understand, the Asian American stress storm and everything that stems from it. Yes, the stereotypes are true for many students at MSJ. We&#8217;re stressed out, we take as many advanced courses as we can, we pursue our extracurricular activities for college applications as much as for pleasure. And everything counts for &#8220;the future&#8221;, which is typically undergraduate studies at a good UC or Ivy League, a good degree, a good job, financial security, and everything the typical Asian parent wants out of their kids.</p>
<p>But for every Asian American student at Mission who gets on the same stereotypical fast track through stress to success, there is a non-Asian student who is under just as much pressure from his parents and himself, and several Asian Americans who defy stereotypes and have their priorities in different aspects of life. Many of my peers couldn&#8217;t care less about becoming doctors and lawyers and use the pressure they can feel around them to fuel their artistic talent or pursue music instead. What I mean is, the stress surrounding MSJ&#8217;s student life is not a myth, but neither is it the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t approve of all the stress that the Mission environment places on its students, but it really is a good school, and shouldn&#8217;t be defined solely by being the archetype of everything that is unhealthy about the work- and success-driven Asian American culture. I&#8217;m tired of all the news agencies looking for a story and zeroing in on my high school in order to prove that STRESS IS BAD!!! Of course stress isn&#8217;t healthy, and of course Asian American students are under a lot of it. But we deal with it, and whether or not Mission SOS (the student organization that made the Grace Lee video, which was only founded my Senior year) really does help the students, the students themselves are smart enough to deal with it and not suffer mental breakdowns.</p>
<p>Also, it is generally agreed among Mission students that the CNN report on Asian students being smarter was absolutely ridiculous and did nothing but further negative stereotypes against MSJ as a school.</p>
<p>When students at Mission graduate and get out of the Fremont/Bay Area bubble, they&#8217;ll discover what the real world is like, and it&#8217;ll be tough for some to adjust. But at least they will, and they&#8217;ll grow up just like I&#8217;m still growing up and learning, and realize for themselves what is really worth more in life: grades or LIVING. Until then, the national competition to get into college is predicted to peak this year and then settle, and generations of Asian Americans with less culturally conservative parents are reaching high school age, as current high school students learn their own limits and relax&#8230; and life goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: 8Asians.com &#187; The Wealthiest Asian American Neighborhoods: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>8Asians.com &#187; The Wealthiest Asian American Neighborhoods: An Asian American/Asian Canadian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 08:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the top 4 neighborhoods are near Mission San Jose area near Mission San Jose High School, which was discussed here on 8asians. Mission San Jose, around which live many wealthy [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BumScientist</title>
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		<dc:creator>BumScientist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mission San Jose is pretty affluent with only 3% on subsidized lunches.

I think these Asian schools are turning into college prep high schools. At other high schools, you have most people getting jobs and getting pregnant. I don&#039;t see how going to a school dominated by Asians is any more stressful than going to say Phillips Academy in Andover. As for cheating, everybody cheats. Premeds cheat to get into medical school. People cheat to get into business school. The only advice I would give your kids is that you better not catch them cheating. 

When I was at a majority Asian high school in San Francisco, I didn&#039;t remember it being so stressful, but I never got 4.0s either. My parents didn&#039;t pressure me in school, but they weren&#039;t too happy when I got rejected by a lot of colleges. I do recognize that times are changing too. When I went to kindergarten, I did not know my ABCs or other things like that, but now kids in good neighborhoods are expected to know those.

The source of the stress is peer pressure. A kid told me that he feels stupid when the other Asians ask him about his grades and they think he&#039;s dumb when he gets a B, since a B = bad on the Asian grading scale as stated above. When the Asian kid goes home with a B, the parent says you can do better next time. When the White kid goes home with a B, they go out and celebrate. In China you get beaten until you can&#039;t sit for being #2. Parents want their children to have a good education in order to surmount the bamboo ceiling. An Asian person can&#039;t even teach English in China if they wanted to. You need to be white to teach English in China according to some 8asian post. 

Cupertino is hilarious with the all the wealthy Asian engineering and business people. The kids there call it the CPT, but the CPT I know is Compton. Rest in Peace, Eazy-E.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mission San Jose is pretty affluent with only 3% on subsidized lunches.</p>
<p>I think these Asian schools are turning into college prep high schools. At other high schools, you have most people getting jobs and getting pregnant. I don&#8217;t see how going to a school dominated by Asians is any more stressful than going to say Phillips Academy in Andover. As for cheating, everybody cheats. Premeds cheat to get into medical school. People cheat to get into business school. The only advice I would give your kids is that you better not catch them cheating. </p>
<p>When I was at a majority Asian high school in San Francisco, I didn&#8217;t remember it being so stressful, but I never got 4.0s either. My parents didn&#8217;t pressure me in school, but they weren&#8217;t too happy when I got rejected by a lot of colleges. I do recognize that times are changing too. When I went to kindergarten, I did not know my ABCs or other things like that, but now kids in good neighborhoods are expected to know those.</p>
<p>The source of the stress is peer pressure. A kid told me that he feels stupid when the other Asians ask him about his grades and they think he&#8217;s dumb when he gets a B, since a B = bad on the Asian grading scale as stated above. When the Asian kid goes home with a B, the parent says you can do better next time. When the White kid goes home with a B, they go out and celebrate. In China you get beaten until you can&#8217;t sit for being #2. Parents want their children to have a good education in order to surmount the bamboo ceiling. An Asian person can&#8217;t even teach English in China if they wanted to. You need to be white to teach English in China according to some 8asian post. </p>
<p>Cupertino is hilarious with the all the wealthy Asian engineering and business people. The kids there call it the CPT, but the CPT I know is Compton. Rest in Peace, Eazy-E.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Asianmommy:   It&#039;s good that your kids aren&#039;t pressured yet.  Sometimes kids that age are already pressured.  Some schools (like my sons&#039; school) test kids before they accept them.  It may sound crazy, but it was stressful waiting for the results of the tests to see if they got into kindergarten.  To show how overzealous some Asian parents get, the school once had parents help to administer the kindergarten test, but they stopped that (making it teachers only) when some parents were caught leaking questions.  This is to get into kindergarten!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Asianmommy:   It&#8217;s good that your kids aren&#8217;t pressured yet.  Sometimes kids that age are already pressured.  Some schools (like my sons&#8217; school) test kids before they accept them.  It may sound crazy, but it was stressful waiting for the results of the tests to see if they got into kindergarten.  To show how overzealous some Asian parents get, the school once had parents help to administer the kindergarten test, but they stopped that (making it teachers only) when some parents were caught leaking questions.  This is to get into kindergarten!</p>
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		<title>By: Asianmommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asianmommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our kids are in preschool &amp; 1st grade, so right now, there&#039;s very little pressure on them.  I hope that they will succeed academically, but it&#039;s more important to me that they&#039;re well-rounded.  I want them to learn and do all kinds of things, from sports to music to dance--whatever interests them.  I also want them to focus on developing friendships and spending time with family, because although you need an education to get a good job, strong social connections are very important for happiness &amp; success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our kids are in preschool &amp; 1st grade, so right now, there&#8217;s very little pressure on them.  I hope that they will succeed academically, but it&#8217;s more important to me that they&#8217;re well-rounded.  I want them to learn and do all kinds of things, from sports to music to dance&#8211;whatever interests them.  I also want them to focus on developing friendships and spending time with family, because although you need an education to get a good job, strong social connections are very important for happiness &amp; success.</p>
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