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	<title>Comments on: The 8Asians Writers Talk About: &#8220;Yellow on the Outside, Shame on the Inside&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Gao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So i assume none of the writers on here have read the book? I just finished reading it and I say it is a good book.

For the most part, he is very sincere and his experiences are very true in the Asian community. I&#039;m sure some of you are goign to argue and say &quot;oh my parents never wanted me to be a doc/lawyer/blabla&quot; well guess what? Youa re the exception.

Also, the author stated how his parents came to the US with no education so for the Asian Americans whose parents came to the US to study for a degree and such, you may nothave experienced what the author wrote because most like your parents are not as focused on making money and actually know the American culture.

The part about the hugging is completely true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So i assume none of the writers on here have read the book? I just finished reading it and I say it is a good book.</p>
<p>For the most part, he is very sincere and his experiences are very true in the Asian community. I&#8217;m sure some of you are goign to argue and say &#8220;oh my parents never wanted me to be a doc/lawyer/blabla&#8221; well guess what? Youa re the exception.</p>
<p>Also, the author stated how his parents came to the US with no education so for the Asian Americans whose parents came to the US to study for a degree and such, you may nothave experienced what the author wrote because most like your parents are not as focused on making money and actually know the American culture.</p>
<p>The part about the hugging is completely true!</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Lathrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Lathrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the book----so I&#039;m not going to post about it---just about some comments from the posters----I&#039;m a &#039;white guy&#039; with feet in both cultures----adopted Chinese, Chinese wife and family (party members) in China.  

So on the subject of &#039;just here to make money&#039; ---the obvious come back is if not that---then what?  ---to feel the cultural &#039;love&#039; in America?  After two Chinese Exclusion acts which made it illegal to be both Chinese and in America at the same time from 1880&#039;s---to WW2. ??  

And what are we to make of the American liberal press that is so down on Chinese culture --- to its very roots?   (many of the loudest voices against the Chinese during the time of the 2nd. exclusion act were the labor unions, Communists, and liberals...) --so of course, to this day, the disconnect still exists---those same &#039;family values&#039; ---placing the greater good---working for the whole society, placing self second---is the antithesis of liberalism.

There have been so many horrible misguided examples of that in the western press--even very recently---world wide----the one that comes immediately to mind is the liberal presses&#039; drum beat during the  run-up to the Beijing Olympics----not about the celebration, or the competition, but about all the security---prima fascia evidence of this repressive authoritarian---even despotic society----while, two weeks ago----during the Obama inauguration----the even MORE confining, overbearing and yes, opressive security---was just a necessary precaution during the free exchange of power of the world&#039;s greatest Democracy..

Its changing slowly now, and 8 Asians  is a great sign that Asian identity is alive and well.....  as it should be, since Asia, and particularly, China is the heir apparent of this young century......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the book&#8212;-so I&#8217;m not going to post about it&#8212;just about some comments from the posters&#8212;-I&#8217;m a &#8216;white guy&#8217; with feet in both cultures&#8212;-adopted Chinese, Chinese wife and family (party members) in China.  </p>
<p>So on the subject of &#8216;just here to make money&#8217; &#8212;the obvious come back is if not that&#8212;then what?  &#8212;to feel the cultural &#8216;love&#8217; in America?  After two Chinese Exclusion acts which made it illegal to be both Chinese and in America at the same time from 1880&#8242;s&#8212;to WW2. ??  </p>
<p>And what are we to make of the American liberal press that is so down on Chinese culture &#8212; to its very roots?   (many of the loudest voices against the Chinese during the time of the 2nd. exclusion act were the labor unions, Communists, and liberals&#8230;) &#8211;so of course, to this day, the disconnect still exists&#8212;those same &#8216;family values&#8217; &#8212;placing the greater good&#8212;working for the whole society, placing self second&#8212;is the antithesis of liberalism.</p>
<p>There have been so many horrible misguided examples of that in the western press&#8211;even very recently&#8212;world wide&#8212;-the one that comes immediately to mind is the liberal presses&#8217; drum beat during the  run-up to the Beijing Olympics&#8212;-not about the celebration, or the competition, but about all the security&#8212;prima fascia evidence of this repressive authoritarian&#8212;even despotic society&#8212;-while, two weeks ago&#8212;-during the Obama inauguration&#8212;-the even MORE confining, overbearing and yes, opressive security&#8212;was just a necessary precaution during the free exchange of power of the world&#8217;s greatest Democracy..</p>
<p>Its changing slowly now, and 8 Asians  is a great sign that Asian identity is alive and well&#8230;..  as it should be, since Asia, and particularly, China is the heir apparent of this young century&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Lathrop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Lathrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read the book----so I&#039;m not going to post about it---just about some comments from the posters----I&#039;m a &#039;white guy&#039; with feet in both cultures----adopted Chinese, Chinese wife and family (party members) in China.  

So on the subject of &#039;just here to make money&#039; ---the obvious come back is if not that---then what?  ---to feel the cultural &#039;love&#039; in America?  After two Chinese Exclusion acts which made it illegal to be both Chinese and in America at the same time from 1880&#039;s---to WW2. ??  

And what are we to make of the American liberal press that is so down on Chinese culture --- to its very roots?   (many of the loudest voices against the Chinese during the time of the 2nd. exclusion act were the labor unions, Communists, and liberals...) --so of course, to this day, the disconnect still exists---those same &#039;family values&#039; ---placing the greater good---working for the whole society, placing self second---is the antithesis of liberalism.

There have been so many horrible misguided examples of that in the western press--even very recently---world wide----the one that comes immediately to mind is the liberal presses&#039; drum beat during the  run-up to the Beijing Olympics----not about the celebration, or the competition, but about all the security---prima fascia evidence of this repressive authoritarian---even despotic society----while, two weeks ago----during the Obama inauguration----the even MORE confining, overbearing and yes, opressive security---was just a necessary precaution during the free exchange of power of the world&#039;s greatest Democracy..

Its changing slowly now, and 8 Asians  is a great sign that Asian identity is alive and well.....  as it should be, since Asia, and particularly, China is the heir apparent of this young century......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read the book&#8212;-so I&#8217;m not going to post about it&#8212;just about some comments from the posters&#8212;-I&#8217;m a &#8216;white guy&#8217; with feet in both cultures&#8212;-adopted Chinese, Chinese wife and family (party members) in China.  </p>
<p>So on the subject of &#8216;just here to make money&#8217; &#8212;the obvious come back is if not that&#8212;then what?  &#8212;to feel the cultural &#8216;love&#8217; in America?  After two Chinese Exclusion acts which made it illegal to be both Chinese and in America at the same time from 1880&#8242;s&#8212;to WW2. ??  </p>
<p>And what are we to make of the American liberal press that is so down on Chinese culture &#8212; to its very roots?   (many of the loudest voices against the Chinese during the time of the 2nd. exclusion act were the labor unions, Communists, and liberals&#8230;) &#8211;so of course, to this day, the disconnect still exists&#8212;those same &#8216;family values&#8217; &#8212;placing the greater good&#8212;working for the whole society, placing self second&#8212;is the antithesis of liberalism.</p>
<p>There have been so many horrible misguided examples of that in the western press&#8211;even very recently&#8212;world wide&#8212;-the one that comes immediately to mind is the liberal presses&#8217; drum beat during the  run-up to the Beijing Olympics&#8212;-not about the celebration, or the competition, but about all the security&#8212;prima fascia evidence of this repressive authoritarian&#8212;even despotic society&#8212;-while, two weeks ago&#8212;-during the Obama inauguration&#8212;-the even MORE confining, overbearing and yes, opressive security&#8212;was just a necessary precaution during the free exchange of power of the world&#8217;s greatest Democracy..</p>
<p>Its changing slowly now, and 8 Asians  is a great sign that Asian identity is alive and well&#8230;..  as it should be, since Asia, and particularly, China is the heir apparent of this young century&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but this was one of the most difficult readings I&#039;ve done in a while. It was endless bitching, complaining, and ranting. My impression was that his entire book was based on a confirmation bias (and a hell of a lot of bitterness). Most of the arguments he made from the get-go were unsound and fallacious. 

While I can admit that his narrative (and consequently, his theorems) could be related to by other children-of-[Asian]-immigrants, like some of the previous posters had said: everyone&#039;s different. Everyone has different experiences in their upbringing, and not every Asian wants/loves money, status, and power (nor do they perceive those three specific things in one way - its subjectivity is different person-to-person). You can&#039;t pigeon-hole an entire group of people based on the experiences and opinions of one or several individuals within that group (even if they may make up the &quot;majority&quot; of said group - there&#039;s too many variables to account for).

And Bo, I completely agree with you. If he truly wants to pursue writing (as he mentioned in his book), he needs a lot of brushing up to do, and should probably pursue either creative writing classes, or social science classes to avoid the fallacies that made up most of his writing. His theorems alone would have gotten him booted out of my Arts &amp; Contemporary Studies program. 

I&#039;ll say one thing though (okay, two) - I did find a FEW things that I could relate to, but again, that&#039;s not conducive to his theorems. And if this is his way of venting and seeking out a channel to just wig-out, he did a great job - who needs a therapist when you can write all your whoas away on-line, for public consumption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this was one of the most difficult readings I&#8217;ve done in a while. It was endless bitching, complaining, and ranting. My impression was that his entire book was based on a confirmation bias (and a hell of a lot of bitterness). Most of the arguments he made from the get-go were unsound and fallacious. </p>
<p>While I can admit that his narrative (and consequently, his theorems) could be related to by other children-of-[Asian]-immigrants, like some of the previous posters had said: everyone&#8217;s different. Everyone has different experiences in their upbringing, and not every Asian wants/loves money, status, and power (nor do they perceive those three specific things in one way &#8211; its subjectivity is different person-to-person). You can&#8217;t pigeon-hole an entire group of people based on the experiences and opinions of one or several individuals within that group (even if they may make up the &#8220;majority&#8221; of said group &#8211; there&#8217;s too many variables to account for).</p>
<p>And Bo, I completely agree with you. If he truly wants to pursue writing (as he mentioned in his book), he needs a lot of brushing up to do, and should probably pursue either creative writing classes, or social science classes to avoid the fallacies that made up most of his writing. His theorems alone would have gotten him booted out of my Arts &amp; Contemporary Studies program. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say one thing though (okay, two) &#8211; I did find a FEW things that I could relate to, but again, that&#8217;s not conducive to his theorems. And if this is his way of venting and seeking out a channel to just wig-out, he did a great job &#8211; who needs a therapist when you can write all your whoas away on-line, for public consumption?</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but this was one of the most difficult readings I&#039;ve done in a while. It was endless bitching, complaining, and ranting. My impression was that his entire book was based on a confirmation bias (and a hell of a lot of bitterness). Most of the arguments he made from the get-go were unsound and fallacious. 

While I can admit that his narrative (and consequently, his theorems) could be related to by other children-of-[Asian]-immigrants, like some of the previous posters had said: everyone&#039;s different. Everyone has different experiences in their upbringing, and not every Asian wants/loves money, status, and power (nor do they perceive those three specific things in one way - its subjectivity is different person-to-person). You can&#039;t pigeon-hole an entire group of people based on the experiences and opinions of one or several individuals within that group (even if they may make up the &quot;majority&quot; of said group - there&#039;s too many variables to account for).

And Bo, I completely agree with you. If he truly wants to pursue writing (as he mentioned in his book), he needs a lot of brushing up to do, and should probably pursue either creative writing classes, or social science classes to avoid the fallacies that made up most of his writing. His theorems alone would have gotten him booted out of my Arts &amp; Contemporary Studies program. 

I&#039;ll say one thing though (okay, two) - I did find a FEW things that I could relate to, but again, that&#039;s not conducive to his theorems. And if this is his way of venting and seeking out a channel to just wig-out, he did a great job - who needs a therapist when you can write all your whoas away on-line, for public consumption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but this was one of the most difficult readings I&#8217;ve done in a while. It was endless bitching, complaining, and ranting. My impression was that his entire book was based on a confirmation bias (and a hell of a lot of bitterness). Most of the arguments he made from the get-go were unsound and fallacious. </p>
<p>While I can admit that his narrative (and consequently, his theorems) could be related to by other children-of-[Asian]-immigrants, like some of the previous posters had said: everyone&#8217;s different. Everyone has different experiences in their upbringing, and not every Asian wants/loves money, status, and power (nor do they perceive those three specific things in one way &#8211; its subjectivity is different person-to-person). You can&#8217;t pigeon-hole an entire group of people based on the experiences and opinions of one or several individuals within that group (even if they may make up the &#8220;majority&#8221; of said group &#8211; there&#8217;s too many variables to account for).</p>
<p>And Bo, I completely agree with you. If he truly wants to pursue writing (as he mentioned in his book), he needs a lot of brushing up to do, and should probably pursue either creative writing classes, or social science classes to avoid the fallacies that made up most of his writing. His theorems alone would have gotten him booted out of my Arts &amp; Contemporary Studies program. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say one thing though (okay, two) &#8211; I did find a FEW things that I could relate to, but again, that&#8217;s not conducive to his theorems. And if this is his way of venting and seeking out a channel to just wig-out, he did a great job &#8211; who needs a therapist when you can write all your whoas away on-line, for public consumption?</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I say the author is asking for any judgement and ridicule that he gets.  You don&#039;t put out PR materials with the sort of nonsense he lays out and not expect people to &quot;judge the cover&quot;.  He asked for it and we gave it to him.  If he was looking for some academic critique of his work, he needs to work on his marketing skills.  Or go find some academic sociology journal that will take him seriously enough to publish it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I say the author is asking for any judgement and ridicule that he gets.  You don&#8217;t put out PR materials with the sort of nonsense he lays out and not expect people to &#8220;judge the cover&#8221;.  He asked for it and we gave it to him.  If he was looking for some academic critique of his work, he needs to work on his marketing skills.  Or go find some academic sociology journal that will take him seriously enough to publish it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I say the author is asking for any judgement and ridicule that he gets.  You don&#039;t put out PR materials with the sort of nonsense he lays out and not expect people to &quot;judge the cover&quot;.  He asked for it and we gave it to him.  If he was looking for some academic critique of his work, he needs to work on his marketing skills.  Or go find some academic sociology journal that will take him seriously enough to publish it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I say the author is asking for any judgement and ridicule that he gets.  You don&#8217;t put out PR materials with the sort of nonsense he lays out and not expect people to &#8220;judge the cover&#8221;.  He asked for it and we gave it to him.  If he was looking for some academic critique of his work, he needs to work on his marketing skills.  Or go find some academic sociology journal that will take him seriously enough to publish it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 00:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all have good points. 
It would be very fruitful to have others of non-East Asian background to post some views. Also there&#039;s a lot of diversity within the Asian community, so much that really one book or one lifetime isn&#039;t enough. Finally, shouldn&#039;t judge a book by it&#039;s cover. For example, I did the same things before I read a little on the Koran (english trans.) and realized how much this book and the believer&#039;s community have also been greatly misunderstood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all have good points.<br />
It would be very fruitful to have others of non-East Asian background to post some views. Also there&#8217;s a lot of diversity within the Asian community, so much that really one book or one lifetime isn&#8217;t enough. Finally, shouldn&#8217;t judge a book by it&#8217;s cover. For example, I did the same things before I read a little on the Koran (english trans.) and realized how much this book and the believer&#8217;s community have also been greatly misunderstood.</p>
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