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	<title>Comments on: The Bamboo Ceiling</title>
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		<title>By: Asian Americans in the &#8220;Cold/Competent&#8221; Quadrant &#124; Discrimination &#124; 8Asians.com</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-144895</link>
		<dc:creator>Asian Americans in the &#8220;Cold/Competent&#8221; Quadrant &#124; Discrimination &#124; 8Asians.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But this really got me to thinking about past discussed blogged topics, such as hitting the &#8220;bamboo ceiling (glass ceiling),&#8221; where are the Asian CEOs, along with but not limited to &#8211; Americans [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But this really got me to thinking about past discussed blogged topics, such as hitting the &#8220;bamboo ceiling (glass ceiling),&#8221; where are the Asian CEOs, along with but not limited to &#8211; Americans [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-124544</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@johns:  If you check the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/aapi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original report&lt;/a&gt;, you&#039;ll see that Indians (and Southeast Asians) were included as Asians.  The purpose of the report and of my commenting on it was not to recommend quotas, but to find out why there&#039;s such a dis-proportionate number of Asians in upper management, not only at the NIH, but across all levels of the corporations in the U.S.  I commented in a previous blog post on the fact that I&#039;m the only Asian in management at my own company, and wondered why that was.  The goal here is to identify what causes there to be less Asians at the top, and fix those problems, rather than implement quotas as you suggest.  The study mentioned that discrimination happens, but Asians are less likely to report incidents of discrimination, and one fix is to get Asians to report discriminatory events.

As for who identifies as Asian that&#039;s up to the individual, they self-identify when they check off a box when they join the NIH.  My own daughter is mixed race, and I fully expect she will create her own identity and her own label as she gets older, and I support her no matter what she chooses as her self-identification.  

And finally, on the topic of women in glass ceilings, just look at amazon.com and the number of books on the topic of women and glass ceilings (almost 50) versus the number of books on the topic of Asians and glass ceilings (seven), and you&#039;ll see why I say the topic for women is more &quot;popularized&quot; than it is for Asians.  It&#039;s certainly not my opinion, many more researchers have found reason to comment and study the phenomenon around glass ceilings and women, than they have yet to around Asians and the glass ceiling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johns:  If you check the <a href="http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/aapi.html" rel="nofollow">original report</a>, you&#8217;ll see that Indians (and Southeast Asians) were included as Asians.  The purpose of the report and of my commenting on it was not to recommend quotas, but to find out why there&#8217;s such a dis-proportionate number of Asians in upper management, not only at the NIH, but across all levels of the corporations in the U.S.  I commented in a previous blog post on the fact that I&#8217;m the only Asian in management at my own company, and wondered why that was.  The goal here is to identify what causes there to be less Asians at the top, and fix those problems, rather than implement quotas as you suggest.  The study mentioned that discrimination happens, but Asians are less likely to report incidents of discrimination, and one fix is to get Asians to report discriminatory events.</p>
<p>As for who identifies as Asian that&#8217;s up to the individual, they self-identify when they check off a box when they join the NIH.  My own daughter is mixed race, and I fully expect she will create her own identity and her own label as she gets older, and I support her no matter what she chooses as her self-identification.  </p>
<p>And finally, on the topic of women in glass ceilings, just look at amazon.com and the number of books on the topic of women and glass ceilings (almost 50) versus the number of books on the topic of Asians and glass ceilings (seven), and you&#8217;ll see why I say the topic for women is more &#8220;popularized&#8221; than it is for Asians.  It&#8217;s certainly not my opinion, many more researchers have found reason to comment and study the phenomenon around glass ceilings and women, than they have yet to around Asians and the glass ceiling.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-141337</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@johns:  If you check the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/aapi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original report&lt;/a&gt;, you&#039;ll see that Indians (and Southeast Asians) were included as Asians.  The purpose of the report and of my commenting on it was not to recommend quotas, but to find out why there&#039;s such a dis-proportionate number of Asians in upper management, not only at the NIH, but across all levels of the corporations in the U.S.  I commented in a previous blog post on the fact that I&#039;m the only Asian in management at my own company, and wondered why that was.  The goal here is to identify what causes there to be less Asians at the top, and fix those problems, rather than implement quotas as you suggest.  The study mentioned that discrimination happens, but Asians are less likely to report incidents of discrimination, and one fix is to get Asians to report discriminatory events.

As for who identifies as Asian that&#039;s up to the individual, they self-identify when they check off a box when they join the NIH.  My own daughter is mixed race, and I fully expect she will create her own identity and her own label as she gets older, and I support her no matter what she chooses as her self-identification.  

And finally, on the topic of women in glass ceilings, just look at amazon.com and the number of books on the topic of women and glass ceilings (almost 50) versus the number of books on the topic of Asians and glass ceilings (seven), and you&#039;ll see why I say the topic for women is more &quot;popularized&quot; than it is for Asians.  It&#039;s certainly not my opinion, many more researchers have found reason to comment and study the phenomenon around glass ceilings and women, than they have yet to around Asians and the glass ceiling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johns:  If you check the <a href="http://www.eeoc.gov/federal/report/aapi.html" rel="nofollow">original report</a>, you&#8217;ll see that Indians (and Southeast Asians) were included as Asians.  The purpose of the report and of my commenting on it was not to recommend quotas, but to find out why there&#8217;s such a dis-proportionate number of Asians in upper management, not only at the NIH, but across all levels of the corporations in the U.S.  I commented in a previous blog post on the fact that I&#8217;m the only Asian in management at my own company, and wondered why that was.  The goal here is to identify what causes there to be less Asians at the top, and fix those problems, rather than implement quotas as you suggest.  The study mentioned that discrimination happens, but Asians are less likely to report incidents of discrimination, and one fix is to get Asians to report discriminatory events.</p>
<p>As for who identifies as Asian that&#8217;s up to the individual, they self-identify when they check off a box when they join the NIH.  My own daughter is mixed race, and I fully expect she will create her own identity and her own label as she gets older, and I support her no matter what she chooses as her self-identification.  </p>
<p>And finally, on the topic of women in glass ceilings, just look at amazon.com and the number of books on the topic of women and glass ceilings (almost 50) versus the number of books on the topic of Asians and glass ceilings (seven), and you&#8217;ll see why I say the topic for women is more &#8220;popularized&#8221; than it is for Asians.  It&#8217;s certainly not my opinion, many more researchers have found reason to comment and study the phenomenon around glass ceilings and women, than they have yet to around Asians and the glass ceiling.</p>
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		<title>By: johns</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-124543</link>
		<dc:creator>johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim:

You&#039;ve observed and cited a proportional inequality between NIH &quot;asian&quot; tenured staff and--I presume--&quot;non-asian&quot; NIH tenured staff; should you argue for proportional equality for &quot;asian&quot; tenured staff, you argue for quotas. Should conditions require in future NIH to promote disproportionately great number of &quot;asians&quot; to tenure, would you then sue for greater proportions of &quot;non-asians&quot;? You haven&#039;t yet defined &quot;asian&quot;, which deficiency I&#039;d indicated with quotation marks. Do &quot;asian-indians&quot; number among &quot;asians&quot;, even though many Census do not? How about scientists with only one &quot;asian&quot; parent? How about scientists with only one &quot;asian&quot; grandparent? As for women, whether their &quot;dilemma&quot; be more &quot;popularized&quot; than &quot;asians&quot; causes is your opinion not a fact. &quot;Non-asian&quot; women number greater among law partners and managers than &quot;asians&quot;. Who promotes women in such great numbers, and who depresses or excludes &quot;asians&quot; from the same promotion? You cite your observations, but you clearly don&#039;t yet comprhend the matter, and thus you clearly you&#039;ve no cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve observed and cited a proportional inequality between NIH &#8220;asian&#8221; tenured staff and&#8211;I presume&#8211;&#8221;non-asian&#8221; NIH tenured staff; should you argue for proportional equality for &#8220;asian&#8221; tenured staff, you argue for quotas. Should conditions require in future NIH to promote disproportionately great number of &#8220;asians&#8221; to tenure, would you then sue for greater proportions of &#8220;non-asians&#8221;? You haven&#8217;t yet defined &#8220;asian&#8221;, which deficiency I&#8217;d indicated with quotation marks. Do &#8220;asian-indians&#8221; number among &#8220;asians&#8221;, even though many Census do not? How about scientists with only one &#8220;asian&#8221; parent? How about scientists with only one &#8220;asian&#8221; grandparent? As for women, whether their &#8220;dilemma&#8221; be more &#8220;popularized&#8221; than &#8220;asians&#8221; causes is your opinion not a fact. &#8220;Non-asian&#8221; women number greater among law partners and managers than &#8220;asians&#8221;. Who promotes women in such great numbers, and who depresses or excludes &#8220;asians&#8221; from the same promotion? You cite your observations, but you clearly don&#8217;t yet comprhend the matter, and thus you clearly you&#8217;ve no cause.</p>
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		<title>By: johns</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-141336</link>
		<dc:creator>johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim:

You&#039;ve observed and cited a proportional inequality between NIH &quot;asian&quot; tenured staff and--I presume--&quot;non-asian&quot; NIH tenured staff; should you argue for proportional equality for &quot;asian&quot; tenured staff, you argue for quotas. Should conditions require in future NIH to promote disproportionately great number of &quot;asians&quot; to tenure, would you then sue for greater proportions of &quot;non-asians&quot;? You haven&#039;t yet defined &quot;asian&quot;, which deficiency I&#039;d indicated with quotation marks. Do &quot;asian-indians&quot; number among &quot;asians&quot;, even though many Census do not? How about scientists with only one &quot;asian&quot; parent? How about scientists with only one &quot;asian&quot; grandparent? As for women, whether their &quot;dilemma&quot; be more &quot;popularized&quot; than &quot;asians&quot; causes is your opinion not a fact. &quot;Non-asian&quot; women number greater among law partners and managers than &quot;asians&quot;. Who promotes women in such great numbers, and who depresses or excludes &quot;asians&quot; from the same promotion? You cite your observations, but you clearly don&#039;t yet comprhend the matter, and thus you clearly you&#039;ve no cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve observed and cited a proportional inequality between NIH &#8220;asian&#8221; tenured staff and&#8211;I presume&#8211;&#8221;non-asian&#8221; NIH tenured staff; should you argue for proportional equality for &#8220;asian&#8221; tenured staff, you argue for quotas. Should conditions require in future NIH to promote disproportionately great number of &#8220;asians&#8221; to tenure, would you then sue for greater proportions of &#8220;non-asians&#8221;? You haven&#8217;t yet defined &#8220;asian&#8221;, which deficiency I&#8217;d indicated with quotation marks. Do &#8220;asian-indians&#8221; number among &#8220;asians&#8221;, even though many Census do not? How about scientists with only one &#8220;asian&#8221; parent? How about scientists with only one &#8220;asian&#8221; grandparent? As for women, whether their &#8220;dilemma&#8221; be more &#8220;popularized&#8221; than &#8220;asians&#8221; causes is your opinion not a fact. &#8220;Non-asian&#8221; women number greater among law partners and managers than &#8220;asians&#8221;. Who promotes women in such great numbers, and who depresses or excludes &#8220;asians&#8221; from the same promotion? You cite your observations, but you clearly don&#8217;t yet comprhend the matter, and thus you clearly you&#8217;ve no cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-124534</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@johns:  I&#039;m certainly not advocating quotas, I&#039;m just pointing out there seems to be a discrepancy, and that there&#039;s something that&#039;s preventing a &quot;natural&quot; progression of Asians to management positions. No one has asked for quotas to make sure there are more women in management positions and their dilemma with the glass ceiling is much more popularized than the bamboo ceiling.  As for the breakdown of races being the same as the rest of the US at NIH, that has to do with how many Caucasians decide to study science, so it starts at elementary school and goes up.  The large population of Asians has to do with who decides to study math and science, and unfortunately most Caucasians (and 2nd and 3rd generation Asians) choose not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johns:  I&#8217;m certainly not advocating quotas, I&#8217;m just pointing out there seems to be a discrepancy, and that there&#8217;s something that&#8217;s preventing a &#8220;natural&#8221; progression of Asians to management positions. No one has asked for quotas to make sure there are more women in management positions and their dilemma with the glass ceiling is much more popularized than the bamboo ceiling.  As for the breakdown of races being the same as the rest of the US at NIH, that has to do with how many Caucasians decide to study science, so it starts at elementary school and goes up.  The large population of Asians has to do with who decides to study math and science, and unfortunately most Caucasians (and 2nd and 3rd generation Asians) choose not to.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-141335</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@johns:  I&#039;m certainly not advocating quotas, I&#039;m just pointing out there seems to be a discrepancy, and that there&#039;s something that&#039;s preventing a &quot;natural&quot; progression of Asians to management positions. No one has asked for quotas to make sure there are more women in management positions and their dilemma with the glass ceiling is much more popularized than the bamboo ceiling.  As for the breakdown of races being the same as the rest of the US at NIH, that has to do with how many Caucasians decide to study science, so it starts at elementary school and goes up.  The large population of Asians has to do with who decides to study math and science, and unfortunately most Caucasians (and 2nd and 3rd generation Asians) choose not to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@johns:  I&#8217;m certainly not advocating quotas, I&#8217;m just pointing out there seems to be a discrepancy, and that there&#8217;s something that&#8217;s preventing a &#8220;natural&#8221; progression of Asians to management positions. No one has asked for quotas to make sure there are more women in management positions and their dilemma with the glass ceiling is much more popularized than the bamboo ceiling.  As for the breakdown of races being the same as the rest of the US at NIH, that has to do with how many Caucasians decide to study science, so it starts at elementary school and goes up.  The large population of Asians has to do with who decides to study math and science, and unfortunately most Caucasians (and 2nd and 3rd generation Asians) choose not to.</p>
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		<title>By: shinjinrui</title>
		<link>http://www.8asians.com/2009/06/01/the-bamboo-ceiling/comment-page-1/#comment-124529</link>
		<dc:creator>shinjinrui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Johns. Restricting employment to Chinese or Japanese based on a Census report is racist and stupid. Tim&#039;s arguments would fit well in the mouths of Jesse Jackson or David Duke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Johns. Restricting employment to Chinese or Japanese based on a Census report is racist and stupid. Tim&#8217;s arguments would fit well in the mouths of Jesse Jackson or David Duke.</p>
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