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Why are Asian American Films Bad?

By Edward | Thursday, April 12, 2012 | 11 Comments

asian american films Why are Asian American Films Bad?

Before I even wrote the April’s Fools article Joy Luck Ranked Greatest Asian American Film Of All Time, I have contemplated for the longest time creating a list for the Top 10 Worst Asian American films of all time. There’s always lists of the good Asian American films but no such thing as a bad one. The reasons for this is actually pretty obvious:

One, the mainstream hardly knows any Asian American films. Two, most Asian Americans don’t even watch these APA films. And if one does know these films, he or she is probably in connection to the said actors and film makers who made the films and in this small Asian American film community, it is not recommended to piss off your fellow Asian peers even if you want to point out a valid criticism. Trust me, our community can be incredibly touchy when it comes to anything but praise for our fellow countryman’s works.

I put a query out asking for people’s worst Asian American films as a Facebook status update and within hours, I got private messages from fellow Asian folks in the entertainment business giving me their confessions in the Asian American films they found to be absolutely dreadful. It was amusing at first as I checked these films out but as more and more submissions came in, I became overwhelmed by how many godawful Asian American films there are.

And then I wrote the April Fool’s article and surprisingly, I somehow fooled a good number of people into believing it was real. Apparently, people don’t bother to read the article itself but only the headline. A lot of Amy Tan/Joy Luck Club fans were overjoyed at the article, only to be crushed after reading it itself. A lot of Asian American activists were furious at the article, only to be laughing their butts off after actually reading it. But the article got me thinking that despite the controversies the film has, the film itself is actually pretty well made with solid acting and a coherent story. This is something that most Asian American films don’t even have so it may be sad to say that at the very least, Joy Luck Club is actually one of the greatest Asian American films of all time.

But then I need to backtrack a little bit: Why are most Asian American films so bad? Is it because many of the stories linger on the Asian American identity crisis and develop an entire story line on a cultural identity thesis? Is it because most of them are poorly directed, edited, acted, and produced? Or is it really because Asian Americans are not given the same resources as white film makers and thus the severely limited resources impact the film making and storytelling of such films?

For me personally, while I have some standards of the technical aspects of film such as the need for good, clean sound..story and acting comes first. If you don’t have me with characters I care about or a story that is worth following through, you are wasting my time. I don’t even care if the film was shot a FlipCam as long as you put the heart and soul in what you want to tell. But that can be a problem in itself as there seems to be a confusion with telling a coherent story to telling a thesis straight out of a college paper.

I know there are some great Asian American films out there but I can only count them with two hands, and even then, it’s somewhat pushing it. I am fully aware we are still in the infantile stages of development and now we are entering into a time where we can tell stories focused on Asian Americans without making it about the Asian American identity crisis. (“Am I Asian? Am I American? Can I eat kimchi with my hamburger?”)

So what do you think? What are your best Asian American films? And if you’re up for the challenge, what are your worst? Is it even fair to even have a “worst” list? Tell me your thoughts! icon smile Why are Asian American Films Bad?

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  • http://www.facebook.com/neaat Neaato Org

    I AGREE W/ EVERYTHING MICHAEL KANG SAYS.

    OTHER POINTS:

    THIS REMINDS ME OF WHAT IRA GLASS SAYS ABOUT STORYTELLING…YOU’RE GONNA
    MAKE CRAP. AND THAT’S OK, YOU GOTTA KEEP MAKING STUFF AND ONLY FEW
    THINGS ARE GEMS. LIKE KANG SAYS, NOT ENOUGH CHANCES.

    HOWEVER, TO BE DEVILS ADVOCATE, I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING CULTURAL
    ABOUT ASIAN AMERICANS THAT MAYBE WE DON’T KNOW ABOUT YET. FOR SOME
    REASON THAI COMMERCIALS MAKE US LAUGH, CRY, I MEAN THOSE GUYS GOT
    STORYTELLING DOWN, NO EXCUSES ABOUT INFANT STAGES TO THEM. THEY PICKED
    IT UP AND RAN W/ IT. SO IS FUNDING AN EXCUSE? OR IS IT…PLAIN AND
    SIMPLE….SCHOOL OF STORYTELLING ABILITY.

    ANYHOO,  AS FAR AS HONG’S LIST:

    1. Shanghai Kiss>>>U SERIOUS? ALREADY UR #1? I HAVEN’T SEEN IT YET BUT WOW, REALLY?

    2. The Great Wall is a Great Wall. >>HAVEN’T SEEN

    3. Saving Face>>AWESOME

    4. Joy Luck Club (yes I hate the source, but the film is very well made).>>UR KIDDIN ME

    5. The People I Slept With.>>>NOT MY TYPE COMEDY

    6. The Harold & Kumar Trilogy (although made by white film makers,
    this seriously counts).>>>NO THIS DOESN’T REALLY COUNT

    7. Flower Drum Song.>>>AGAIN, DOESN’T COUNT.

    HERE ARE MY ASIAN AMERICAN FILMS LATELY, MEANING STARRING AND DIRECTING
    BY ASIAN AMERICANS, NON OF THIS HAROLD AND KUMAR AMERICA PIE SHIT OR
    FLOWER DRUM SONG FROM WAY BACK AGAIN BY WHITE PEOPLE….

    SAVING FACE AND THE MOTEL

    OTHER THAN THAT, DOCS BY CURTIS CHIN LOL

    FILMS TELL US MORE ABOUT THE PERSON WATCHING THE FILM THAN ANYTHING.

    OH, AND I’D LIKE TO SEE MORE FROM CHILDREN OF INVENTION DIRECTOR. THE REST OF KANG’S LIST I HAVE NOT SEEN YET

  • http://www.facebook.com/neaat Neaato Org

    WOOPS I MEAN CURTIS CHOY

  • http://www.facebook.com/neaat Neaato Org

    MY FAULT HONG, SHANGHAI KISS I MISTOOK FOR NEW DANIEL HENNY FLICK #DISWNED!!

  • http://twitter.com/B_Quizzle Brian Quan

    After giving this some thought, I’m curious as to what defines an “Asian-American” film?  Would one definition be a film written and directed by an Asian-American based on their personal experience?  What if the subsequent film had no Asian actors in it?

    Specifically, where would George Huang’s debut film Swimming With Sharks fall under?

  • http://www.facebook.com/neaat Neaato Org

    JUST READ THIS REVIEW ON SHANGHAI KISS, WHICH I’M WATCHING SO I CAN’T COMMENT BUT SO FAR I’M ENJOYING IT, BUT AFTER READING THIS REVIEW…DOES SOUND STEREOTYPICAL LOL:

    This is the archetypal ‘Asian American Identity’ story… which I
    usually don’t have a problem with (being Asian American myself), but
    well the first strike I have against this movie is that the theme is
    very very over-done.

    The story pulls in some interesting
    twists… Ken Leung (who is awesome) picks up some random chick in a bar
    (something you never see in Hollywood movies)… But for some reason
    he’s a wimp or something and cries everytime he has sex… (this seems
    like some perverse stereotyping here).

    Then there is the whole
    ‘relationship’ between Ken Leung’s character and Hayden Panettiere’s
    character. Yes, again it’s good that Asian guy can get the girl… but
    she’s a high school kid and he’s in his late twenties… but she’s the
    one in control of the relationship (Lolita complex + again with the
    ‘Asian guys are whipped’ stereotype)

    Finally, once in China,
    there appears to be a never ending line of prostitutes as well as having
    Kelly Hu being in a relationship with an “evil Asian guy” just for the
    money… You know what I’m getting at here…

    All in all, the
    movie gets 2 stars (knocking off one star for each of my gripes).
    Especially for a movie that is proclaiming to be progressive… I am
    quite disappointed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/neaat Neaato Org

    ALL GREAT POINTS. THAT’S WHAT I’M SAYIN….YOU CAN’T COMPARE JUST ALL ASIAN AMERICAN MOVIES. MY DEF? ASIAN AMERICAN DIRECTOR W/ ASIAN AMERICAN ACTORS, AND BASICALLY INDIE FILMS (LIKE THERE IS BIG BUDGET ASIAN AMERICAN FILM LOL)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ahmed-Sanchez-De-La-Cruz-Kim/58700922 Ahmed Sanchez De La Cruz Kim

    If it’s about Asian American theme films (as opposed to just films with Asian people, either as characters and/or production/directing roles), for me, it’s not well received because the stories haven’t been marketed well. 

    The stories of Asian Americans can be very broad, after all, many other non-Asians can relate to them in one facet or another. They also can be limited, like how some things like food or even some superstitious traditions are some things that many Asians can almost immediately catch on while some non-Asians might not know or be move by them. Either way, including all of the faults mentioned so far, from acting to resources to execution, etc. 

    You still need good marketing to get that out there. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/scotteriksson Scott Eriksson

    All of these “problems” really boil down to the issue of financial support. The Asian American films that get made are because of blood, sweat & tears and contributions from family and friends, not because they are the best story, cast or crew and sometimes great films get made in spite of financial obstacles. The support of the big players in Hollywood drive the film industry unfortunately and even great scripts from unknown/independent filmmakers get made with Hollywood support because the big shots see potential to make money or to have recognition (Academy Awards). Once Hollywood can see past Asian American stereotypes and actors, actresses, directors as having an ability to make them money, then they will get invited into the Hollywood players club and the best of what is out there will rise to the top and lots of great Asian American films will be made. While it’s easy to see films as entertainment and art, the reality is that it’s a business trying to make lots of money.

  • m_wei

     according to that logic, next time a movie like John Carter bombs I’d like to see the presses read it’s because the leading actor is white the movie failed.

    cuz you know everytime an ethnic person is in a movie that fails it’s because of their skin color…

  • http://profiles.google.com/richardstarr Richard Starr

    First off, I personally loved the Joy Luck Club. Lot’s of clever characters
    and ultimately a pro-family film. If you did not shed a tear at the end, I
    have to wonder about the state of your soul.

    The question that needs to be asked, is what qualifies as an Asian American film?
    Is it having a lead that is Asian American? Is it having the majority of the cast
    be? Does it need to do with certain themes?

    Part of the problem is that, for whatever reason, there is really not all that many
    Asian American “stars” that the average public will recognize by name.
    How many even know the names of the 2 on Glee?

    Really at the moment there are only 5 that immediately come to mind.
    John Cho (Star Trek and the Harold and Kumar films)
    George Takei (Original Star Trek)
    Lucy Lui (Charlies Angels, Kill Bill, Ally McBeal)
    Margaret Cho (All-American Girl, famous funny lady)
    Sandra Oh (Sideways and Grey’s anatomy)

    These are the ones who people will see an image of and immediately know
    they have seen them before. There are a few international stars like Jackie Chan , Michele Yoh, and Gong Li that will also likely have the “a-ha” factor.

    The nature of film is that it is very expensive to make and the people making
    the films want to make money, preferably lots of it. So, they calculate a few
    things into the equation. One of them is having a name to hang the film on.

    This is one reason why Samuel Jackson is constantly working. His name is
    instantly known and he works relatively cheap because he really, really, wants
    to keep working.

    The other factor is a vehicle to launch somebody who is nobody into a “star”.
    Take “twilight”, please. Seriously though, it turned a number of unknowns into
    people that can cash a big check. You need the right role for an AA that will
    gain him/her recognition and they have to also have the acting chops to get
    them to the next level.

    Once you have a proto-star type, then you can get the money to make a
    decent film. If you don’t choose wisely, you risk having that star tarnished
    or type cast. Lucy Lui can, and has, made a number of terrible films, but
    she has been involved in enough money makers (which is all that counts)
    to keep getting more work and not get blamed for failure anymore than
    Samuel Jackson does.

    So why are the films so bad?
    It’s because the money is not there, yet.
    Make an equivalent of “My big fat Greek wedding” that can get supported
    by the AA community because it actually deserves it and you finally see
    the start of something big.

    So, get writing, and then give John Cho’s agent a call. :-)

 
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