• LTE2

    “But by also saying that Asian men are criticized ENDLESSLY is pushing aside the fact that Asian women are _doubly marginalized_ and are ENDLESSLY criticized”
    .
    Sounds like many marriages.

  • LTE2

    “You also have no right to criticize JFK, your crossing the boundaries there. He was arguably the best President of the United States of America”
    .
    Theodore Roosevelt was better.

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    Akrypti responds selectively. And no, AA females are not doubly marginalized, they’re placed above AA males by white favoritism. They may be fetishized and marginalized but not “doubly” marginalized.

    “”Poor priorities” to you is not putting Asian men first and I don’t see why it should be so here”

    No, you’re not making any sense. I’m talking about priorities in terms of LGBT and women’s rights. Anyone serious about these issues would join in a takedown of white men (and blacks and Muslims). Asian men are lowest in the list of offenders here.

    That said I was surprised to see the “kill her” comment was from a woman, as it’s usually guys that say stuff like that.

  • happyappa

    “And no, AA females are not doubly marginalized, they’re placed above AA males by white favoritism.”

    THAT makes no sense. That’s like saying the Model Minority myth, which was made up by Whites, gives Asians privilege, esp. above Whites. It doesn’t, it’s deceptive and makes it seem like it’s not a “negative” stereotype. You’re using the same logic with Asian women.

    White “favoritism” is dehumanization, othering, and racism, because 1) Asian 2) women.

    “I’m talking about priorities in terms of LGBT and women’s rights.”

    You think Asian women don’t count as women though… because apparently being Asian cancels out any oppression related to being women?

    Your argument is “Evil Asian Men” -> Other races are worse –> resulting in ignoring problems in AA community.

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    If you want to make a case that white males treat Asian women like garbage, I’m not going to disagree. However you still have it better than Asian males (including and especially LGBT), and this isn’t arguable at all. A majority of sex crimes committed against AA women is committed by non-Asians.

  • happyappa

    “However you still have it better than Asian males (including and especially LGBT), and this isn’t arguable at all. A majority of sex crimes committed against AA women is committed by non-Asians.”

    AA women are more likely to be victims of sex crimes, especially because of stereotypes like passiveness, and sexualization, and you agree that White men treat Asian women like garbage.

    Misogyny against AW is rampant even in the AA community. How does it make it “better” if sex crimes against AW are committed by non-Asians? It doesn’t get better for LGBTQ Asian women. And this is just in the realm of abuse.

    Overall, AW (LGBTQ included) do not “have it better” than AM (LGBTQ included).

  • disqus_GUsOiaKW4E

    Haha

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    No, it’s not rampant at all. It exists, but isn’t rampant. If you use that word to describe AA misogyny then whites are, by logical extension, chauvinist Hitlers.

    My point about violence against AW committed by non-AA males is a direct result of that group straying from their race. To turn around and pin the blame on AA men makes no sense on principle or in practice.

    AA men take precautions to maintain and defend a place in society, the fact that many AA women are reckless and put themselves in harm’s way by associating excessively with non-Asian males and get murdered, assaulted and raped as a result does not mean societal discrimination is more severe against AA women. AA men are just informed of what society deems their boundaries are.

    In short AA women absolutely have power over their rates of victimization at the hands of males. Many simply choose not to heed logic and buy into white anti-Asian male propaganda and get seriously hurt in the process.

  • happyappa

    “No, it’s not rampant at all. It exists, but isn’t rampant.”

    It doesn’t change the fact that it is “alive and well” in the AA community, and putting all focus on other races by saying they are more violent, and not facing this problem, does not make it go away.

    “My point about violence against AW committed by non-AA males is a direct result of that group straying from their race. To turn around and pin the blame on AA men makes no sense on principle or in practice.”

    I do not condone AW wrongfully blaming AM at all, but AM are not entirely innocent. All those AA men need to stop calling AA women wh*res who are “race traitors”.

    Recent example: ecaasu . org/site/2013/08/intersecting-identities-gender-race/

    “the fact that many AA women are reckless and put themselves in harm’s way by associating excessively with non-Asian males…”

    Why are you putting the blame on the victim, by your logic you should be blaming the men who harm AW, and not the Asian women. You go on about how other men (esp. Whites) are more violent, but you still blame Asian women.

    “In short AA women absolutely have power over their rates of victimization at the hands of males.”

    stanford . edu/group/maan/cgi-bin/?page_id=81

    AM should join AW to fight the patriarchy (and obviously racism, transphobia, etc.). But you deny AW are doubly marginalized (at the least) ~sexism against AW doesn’t exist, which makes NO sense.

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    If you mean “alive and well” then say it. Don’t say “rampant” if the word doesn’t fit.

    “All those AA men need to stop calling AA women wh*res who are “race traitors”.”

    Why shouldn’t they call out Asian women who date out? It’s mean, but if it means they’re less likely to get raped and murdered as a result it’s ultimately a good thing.

    “Why are you putting the blame on the victim, by your logic you should be blaming the men who harm AW”

    I’m blaming both. Asian women with white fetish love to talk about how non-sexist and great whites are – until they get killed, raped or robbed (or all three) by them.

    “But you deny AW are doubly marginalized (at the least) ~sexism against AW doesn’t exist, which makes NO sense.”

    If AW are “doubly marginalized” then so are all non-white males. Sorry, but they have no access to the power whites and Jews have over America either.

  • happyappa

    Rampant – “in full sway; prevailing or unchecked” sounds like “alive and well” to me. But this is besides the point.

    “Why shouldn’t they call out Asian women who date out?”

    Why should they, if it is an AW’s choice? It’s just “mean”? It’s also controlling. Kev Jumba is an example of this, look at his FB.

    “I’m blaming both. Asian women with white fetish love to talk about how non-sexist and great whites are – until they get killed, raped or robbed (or all three) by them.

    It’s not possible to have a White fetish. Fetishizing is dehumanizing, and you can’t do that to Whites. If you mean obsessed with White guys, okay.

    There are AW who blame AM, and also AW who play along with Asian fetishes. These women are brainwashed by White supremacy and I hate it.

    But when AM bash AW, why do you think AW get upset at them too?

    AM among other folks are brainwashed into thinking verbally abusing those women makes them better than those same White guys (i.e. “See, if only you dated an Asian, you b*tch”). It is a vicious cycle, and YOU are condoning this misogyny.

    Wrongfully putting blame on AM does not warrant misogynistic name-calling and saying AW deserve any abuse, rape, murder. We, Asian women, don’t have the “power” to stop being oppressed. You think it’s that simple?

    “If AW are “doubly marginalized” then so are all non-white males.”

    No, because WOC are women… of color… facing racism and sexism… because we live in a _White-privileged_ and _patriarchal society_.

    You think belittling oppression of AW helps anything? Or insulting our intelligence (Oh, we are just merely “uninformed” to stop the sexual violence, so really we’re not oppressed as women). It does the opposite.

    angryasiangirlsunited . tumblr . com/post/58154243165/
    ending-white-supremacy-does-not-begin-with-controlling

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    I RARELY see AM bash AW in general. Sell-outs yes, but rarely do they slander all AW. The reverse is not true.

    “It is a vicious cycle, and YOU are condoning this misogyny.”

    This isn’t misogyny. Misogyny is embodied by the whites that rape and murder AW and/or wish they could. Any woman who dates out should know what she’s getting into, socially and otherwise.

    “No, because WOC are women… of color… facing racism and sexism…”

    Sorry, Asian men are discriminated against based on the combination of their race and sex more than Asian women – period. Arbitrary labels don’t mean anything in the real world.

  • happyappa

    You as one person “rarely see it”, so it must be true…

    “Misogyny is embodied by the whites that rape and murder AW and/or wish they could.”

    Gee, I guess only White men are capable of misogyny.

    “Sorry, Asian men are discriminated against based on the combination of their race and sex more than Asian women – period.”

    You keep telling yourself that. I’m giving you the facts, but you twist them to defend your twisted logic.

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    You have never provided any facts during the time of this discussion or any others with me. I can somewhat sympathize with your view, but it’s me giving facts, not you.

    My suspicion is that AM are far less misogynistic because we’re 6-10x less likely than white males to rape, kill, assault and fondle women – according to the FBI.

    “You keep telling yourself that.”

    Nope, it’s 100% true. White society favors AW over AM by leagues. That’s not to say AW have an enviable position, it’s just that white society utterly despises AM who they fear and envy.

  • happyappa

    You take actual facts (ex. Asian women as victims of sexual violence, fetishization, sexism, etc) and turning it into Asian women being deluded into thinking they’re oppressed as women, because of your opinion that we are “uninformed”. Derailment tactics don’t count as facts.

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    No, that was never my point. Stop grinding that axe and read what I’m actually writing, please. I said AM are hated more for the combination of their race and sex than AW are, and that’s true. It doesn’t mean sick white fucks don’t rape and molest AW all the time. All I’m saying is that we have a common enemy that hurt AW far more than AM do, which is the EXCEPTION among all races where typically the woman’s own men are the problem.

  • happyappa

    My reactions to your comments are justified.
    “I said AM are hated more for the combination of their race and sex than AW are”

    You said that AW are not doubly oppressed, because of White “favoritism”. I already explained how wrong it was to use this logic. And fetishism isn’t indifference or love. You’re also forgetting that oppression goes beyond fetishism, sexual violence, etc.

    “It doesn’t mean sick white fucks don’t rape and molest AW all the time.”

    That wasn’t my point.

    “All I’m saying is that we have a common enemy that hurt AW far more than AM do, which is the EXCEPTION among all races where typically the woman’s own men are the problem.”

    Just because there is a “common enemy” you don’t need to distract from the issue of AM hatefully verbally attacking AW or that transphobia isn’t less worse when from Asians.

  • TheSpeakerOfTruth

    “Just because there is a “common enemy” you don’t need to distract from
    the issue of AM hatefully verbally attacking AW or that transphobia
    isn’t less worse when from Asians.”

    Just because he has a bleeding head wound doesn’t mean you shouldn’t treat a severed toe!

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