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Do Submissive Asian Women Exist?

By Koji Steven | Wednesday, November 2, 2011 | 59 Comments

8a robot Do Submissive Asian Women Exist?

Watching my wife give birth to my beautiful son, I was amazed and impressed by her strength and courage. This got me thinking about the whole submissive Asian woman stereotype – which if Yahoo! Answers is to be trusted, people in the world still believe. Here is an example of one such question: What makes Asian girls so submissive?

And here are two of the most offensive “answers” to that question:

their culture. they are more traditional & also honor & respect apparently is highly valued in their culture.

it’s just what they were taught in Asia to be towards asian men.

However, my favorite answer was:

The only woman i know thats submissive is your mom

But I digress. My wife is the furthest thing from submissive. If anything, I’m the submissive/geisha between us. (Actually, I’d love to be a geisha. It sounds like a lot of fun, but that’s a different article.)

None of the other women in my family fit the submissive stereotype either. Neither do my friends, ex-girlfriends, coworkers, and the other writers on 8Asians. Like my wife, they are all the furthest thing from it. In fact, everywhere I look I see strong and confident Asian women. So what gives?

Maybe it’s an Asian American thing? Maybe because Asian American women tend to be well educated and empowered, they are different? Then I think about my Japanese Japanese female friends and I can’t say that they are all that demure and submissive. The same can be said for my friends from other parts of Asia.

And this (slightly ironical?) writer from The Jakarta Post seems to agree with me:

Modern women in Asia are tough creatures who can easily manipulate men. A married woman who did not want her name printed reported having the following conversation with her husband. Wife (W): “I need a black dress.”

Husband (H): “You have a black dress.” W: “I need a wide range of black dresses.” H: “You have three black dresses.” W: “Three is not a wide range. 20 is a wide range.” H: “You are not buying 20 black dresses.” W: “Okay, you win. I’ll make do with 10. Actually, seven or eight should be plenty.” M: “Right. I should think so too.”

By the time he realized that he had okayed a purchase of five new black dresses, she was halfway to Zara.

Eva said that today’s Asian woman can control men by simply teaching them the “Three Golden Rules of Relationships.” 1) Know that when a woman says, “we need to talk” she actually means “I need to complain”, so just shut up and listen. 2) Know that the word “minute” in the phrase “I’ll be ready in a minute” is a metaphor for an undefined length of time ranging from 20 to 60 minutes. 3) Know that a male who responds during an argument is automatically wrong. So is a male who does not respond. To save time, men should just apologize immediately. And then shut up and listen.

Maybe it’s a previous generation thing? But I highly doubt it. I look at my family and my first generation friend’s families – “traditional” Asian families – where the Asian man is allegedly the boss. But if I take a closer look, I see the Asian woman (the mom) making all the real decisions. Back when I was single I was NEVER afraid of the girlfriend’s dad, I was always more afraid of her mom. I knew who I needed to bow lower to.

In these families, to an outsider, it may look like the Asian mom regularly defers to the dad but what is really going on is that the mom is only pretending to make it look like the dad has a say for the sake of saving face. But I don’t think this as much the case anymore. I don’t want or need my wife to act like I’m the boss. I don’t even want to be the boss. Maybe I’m just not manly enough or more likely that my wife and I are truly equal partners.

I wish there was some kind of committee that I can present the case to so that we can once and for all get rid of the submissive female Asian stereotype.  But I could be wrong. There could be submissive Asian women out there but I just haven’t met them yet. Do you know one? Are you a submissive Asian women? Write to me and let me know.

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  • http://tinabot.blogspot.com/ TinaTsai

    @Fia I agree. There are definitely “submissive/dominant” relationships in America and in ever culture. I wonder how generational it is, because I don’t know any of my peers who are in such a relationship (I’m 33) and generally such a relationship would be frowned upon by people I know.

    Has anyone heard of that conception that men from Shanghai are more likely to do house chores and be good house-husbands? Never been to Shanghai myself, but I’ve heard this “reputation” from different people.

  • mwei

    @TinaTsai the stereotype in China is that Shanghai ‘men’ are mama’s boys and are deferential to the Shanghai women – who wear the pants.

    however, in recent years the trend is kind of changing to be macho like the rest of China and there are some good smack downs like the video recently posted on the Shanghai subway.

  • mwei

    like everywhere in the world, there are regional differences and sub-cultures:

    http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/videos/shanghainese-fight-on-metro-laughed-at-by-northeasterners.html

  • dustrabbit

    Wow, this takes the cake. But then again, I can’t count how many times I’ve been creeped out seeing white guys wearing short-short kimonos at Obon in Denver or seeing the Chinese wedding photos where the white guy is dressed in old-style Chinese clothes (something along line of when George Bush wore that traditional jacket in China).

    My wife really loses it when she sees another Chinese woman act “sao bao” for a random white guy…

  • dustrabbit

    @mwei@TinaTsai …hmm, I never believed it…but then again, isn’t that like non-Shanghai Chinese in China holding on to the belief that Shanghai people are cold and arrogant? (Kinda like the stereotype non-New Yorkers used to (still do?) have of New Yorkers.)

  • mwei

    my impression is that other Chinese thing Shanghai people are materialistic and arrogant. it’s a stereotype and generalization… pretty much most of China is like that. ;)

  • http://tinabot.blogspot.com/ TinaTsai

    Yeah, I heard the same thing from people from China, that they were more house-husbands but have conformed to mainstream China norms. What a shame. ^_^

  • mwei

    @TinaTsai I got no beef with Shanghai people in general…

    BUT, this one time a Shanghai dude went on and on about how Shanghai is the richest city in all of Asia and that “the housing price is even higher than your US cities like NY.” lol

  • http://twitter.com/gnosallis Juke Box

    Isn’t it a white, Christian, conservative act to be a submissive housewife to your husband? Or a Muslim law in the middle east? That’s basically all that’s shown this day and age.

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