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A friend of mine forwarded the link to this published article in Slate today by Ray Fisman, “An Economist Goes to a Bar And solves the mysteries of dating“:
“To really understand what people prefer, you need to pair men and women randomly in an experimental dating service and document the decisions they make. And so for a couple of years at a local bar just off the Columbia campus, I ran a speed-dating experiment with two psychologists, Sheena Iyengar and Itamar Simonson, and fellow economist Emir Kamenica. Some of our findings confirm well-worn clichés. But others surprised us.”
The most interesting results relevant to 8Asians readers were:
“Another clear gender divide, this one less expected, emerged in our findings on racial preferences, reported in a forthcoming article in the Review of Economic Studies. Women of all the races we studied revealed a strong
preference for men of their own race: White women were more likely to choose white men; black women preferred black men; East Asian women preferred East Asian men; Hispanic women preferred Hispanic men. But men don’t seem to discriminate based on race when it comes to dating. A woman’s race had no effect on the men’s choices. Two wrinkles on this: We found no evidence of the stereotype of a white male preference for East Asian women. However, we also found that East Asian women did not discriminate against white men (only against black and Hispanic men). As a result, the white man-Asian woman pairing was the most common form of interracial dating—but because of the women’s neutrality, not the men’s pronounced preference. We also found that regional differences mattered. Daters of both sexes from south of the Mason-Dixon Line revealed much stronger same-race preferences than Northern daters.”
So according to all of those who complain about the imbalance of Caucasian men with Asian women, it’s all the Caucasian’s men fault, NOT Asian women….Hmmm. I wonder what kind of comments I will get with this posting 
. If you click through to the Slate article, the study confirms the obvious that men put more emphasis on physical attractiveness than women, and that men like women who are as smart, but not smarter, than themselves. And women value intelligence and ambition in men.
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I'd be curious to know HOW this study was done. You said that East Asian women SAID they prefer to date their own kind. But how do you know they weren't just saying this...that they knew that if they were to say they preferred...say white men, that they would be lambasted. I suspect this may be the case, based upon what then followed: these same women said at the same time though, that they don't "discriminate" against white men. Awe shucks, how positively "open minded" of them eh? How many asian women are seriously going to admit they prefer white men, and that they see them as trophies, that they have bought into the stereotypes that white man = handsome and that asian man = not handsome...that hapa babies are "more attractive"? No woman with a modicum of intelligence is going to admit that. Instead the popular explanation is that asian women are simply more "open minded". Gee, I wonder what made asian women to be the most open minded people on the planet huh?
While there are certainly guys out there with an asian fetish, I too agree that it's in fact the asian WOMEN driivng the proliferation of asian female/white male couples. Men have radar. Guys talk. And the secret is out that asian women are much more receptive to white men, and even black men now....much more than they would be to an asian man.
I once was walking down the street with an asian woman/white man couple...they are both ultra-PC types. As we passed another AF/WM couples on the street, the asian woman next to me mumbled "white wolf!" I asked her why she said that, and she went on some politically correct tirade about how white men fetishize asian women. I guess what she was trying to imply was that all asian women that are with white men are their completely innocent, unwitting victims or something?! And yet her SHE was, herself married to a white guy! Talk about hypocrisy.
But I guess as long as certain asian women come off as pseudo-intellectual politically-correct feminists and lambaste "white wolves", it's still ok for THEM to be with white men. Cuz then we are supposed to think that THEY couldn't possibly be with each other because of racial stereotypes. Oh no...it's all those OTHER AF/WM couples out there that are the racists/fetishists.
In Manhattan (with the exception of the Chinatown area), I'd have to say that just about every asian woman I see walking down the street is with a NON-Asian man. So clearly it's the asian women driving this.
I'd be curious to know HOW this study was done. You said that East Asian women SAID they prefer to date their own kind. But how do you know they weren't just saying this...that they knew that if they were to say they preferred...say white men, that they would be lambasted. I suspect this may be the case, based upon what then followed: these same women said at the same time though, that they don't "discriminate" against white men. Awe shucks, how positively "open minded" of them eh? How many asian women are seriously going to admit they prefer white men, and that they see them as trophies, that they have bought into the stereotypes that white man = handsome and that asian man = not handsome...that hapa babies are "more attractive"? No woman with a modicum of intelligence is going to admit that. Instead the popular explanation is that asian women are simply more "open minded". Gee, I wonder what made asian women to be the most open minded people on the planet huh?
While there are certainly guys out there with an asian fetish, I too agree that it's in fact the asian WOMEN driivng the proliferation of asian female/white male couples. Men have radar. Guys talk. And the secret is out that asian women are much more receptive to white men, and even black men now....much more than they would be to an asian man.
I once was walking down the street with an asian woman/white man couple...they are both ultra-PC types. As we passed another AF/WM couples on the street, the asian woman next to me mumbled "white wolf!" I asked her why she said that, and she went on some politically correct tirade about how white men fetishize asian women. I guess what she was trying to imply was that all asian women that are with white men are their completely innocent, unwitting victims or something?! And yet her SHE was, herself married to a white guy! Talk about hypocrisy.
But I guess as long as certain asian women come off as pseudo-intellectual politically-correct feminists and lambaste "white wolves", it's still ok for THEM to be with white men. Cuz then we are supposed to think that THEY couldn't possibly be with each other because of racial stereotypes. Oh no...it's all those OTHER AF/WM couples out there that are the racists/fetishists.
In Manhattan (with the exception of the Chinatown area), I'd have to say that just about every asian woman I see walking down the street is with a NON-Asian man. So clearly it's the asian women driving this.
You are too funny but I agree with you.
For one, your contradicting your whole argument...your calling these men idiots and this post "racist bullshit" but you just sat here and generalized "black" men...yes, i agree, black men have more problems to face but not EVERYONE is born into poverty or bad role models...next time the word "SOME" would be more like it.
Wow!! is all i can say....it seems as if Asian Men are not realizing how desirable they really are...well, to non-asian women...I am a beautiful brown skinned gal from a british territory (island) and i have always been attracted to Asian men..in all fact (no offense to white men at all) I think ive only been attracted to maybe 2 white men in my life...There are many non-asian women who find Asian men attractive...the problem is (the same problem that Black women seem to have) is that:
and this is only my observation and opinion.....
A) For Men dealing with women, when it comes to desirability, fantasy ect... it goes as follows: White Women, Asian Woman (including E. Indian), Hispanic (latin) origin....and then Black
I find this offensive at times but its reality because of stereotypes. I do understand how the Asian men feel because for them (reading blogs and studies) it seems as if they are on the bottom for women..
B) Asian Men and Black Women sometimes (not all the time) cancel one another out because we both are "loyal" if you want to call it that, to our own (what i would call) "culture".
for me race doesn't matter like it may for some. It is the environment you grow up in which in turn shapes your character and characteristics.
I personally like asian men, never had the opportunity to date one because of my location. In college i met 3 japanese men, one which i thought was extremely attractive. He had a great style...the problem was he spoke very little english (since all 3 came to school straight from japan) and i just knew that would be a factor, and they were all extremely close (they would sit on each other's laps and what not...) just major cultural differences because they were not americanized.
The big question is whether Asian would be interested in Black women is a whole new post and discussion in itself.....
Everyone here needs to chill, social status / economic status are the strongest indicators for marital success. So, with that logic, Asian guys have nothing to worry about. I'm white, and kind of a Japanime nerd, so I have only the highest regards for those of Asian descent. I am not attracted to Asian women, however I prefer (looks-wise) white & hispanic women. If you tools would actually read the fucking study, you would realize that Asian women do not DISCRIMINATE as much against white men as they do men of other races (excluding Asian men). Asian women STILL PREFERRED Asian men! That's right, take the time to read the fucking study you idiots--before you start some pointless racist bullshit. BTW, half of my best friends are Asian men, because I have a lot in common with them (videogames, intelligence, movies, music, education, etc), and NO I'm using them to get to their women. Again, I personally find Asian women unattractive--just a notch more attractive then I find most black women (who I find the least). EVERY WOMAN on average preferred their own race, to others! Again, read the fucking thing. Some people are so insecure, and it's that very attitude that causes them to shoot themselves in the foot and ruin their confidence with women.
White women can date black men (our polar opposites), without me getting upset. Once some of you Asian men, accept Asian women dating white men, without getting upset---you will join my camp of self confidence and ramp up your sexual attractiveness. My happiness doesn't depend on what others are doing, and nor does my self esteem. Join me my friends, let's live life for ourselves! Dicks aren't that important (going by unproved stereotypes) blacks are the least preferred for every ethnic group of women (excluding black women). So you guys are not at the bottom of sexual food chain by any stretch. Your value is not at the bottom by any means, just be glad you don't face the same obstacles man black men face. Born into poverty, not many role models, etc. Focus on the positives! Get an education, good job, and everything will sort itself out, okay?
Everyone here needs to chill, social status / economic status are the strongest indicators for marital success. So, with that logic, Asian guys have nothing to worry about. I'm white, and kind of a Japanime nerd, so I have only the highest regards for those of Asian descent. I am not attracted to Asian women, however I prefer (looks-wise) white & hispanic women. If you tools would actually read the fucking study, you would realize that Asian women do not DISCRIMINATE as much against white men as they do men of other races (excluding Asian men). Asian women STILL PREFERRED Asian men! That's right, take the time to read the fucking study you idiots--before you start some pointless racist bullshit. BTW, half of my best friends are Asian men, because I have a lot in common with them (videogames, intelligence, movies, music, education, etc), and NO I'm using them to get to their women. Again, I personally find Asian women unattractive--just a notch more attractive then I find most black women (who I find the least). EVERY WOMAN on average preferred their own race, to others! Again, read the fucking thing. Some people are so insecure, and it's that very attitude that causes them to shoot themselves in the foot and ruin their confidence with women.
White women can date black men (our polar opposites), without me getting upset. Once some of you Asian men, accept Asian women dating white men, without getting upset---you will join my camp of self confidence and ramp up your sexual attractiveness. My happiness doesn't depend on what others are doing, and nor does my self esteem. Join me my friends, let's live life for ourselves! Dicks aren't that important (going by unproved stereotypes) blacks are the least preferred for every ethnic group of women (excluding black women). So you guys are not at the bottom of sexual food chain by any stretch. Your value is not at the bottom by any means, just be glad you don't face the same obstacles man black men face. Born into poverty, not many role models, etc. Focus on the positives! Get an education, good job, and everything will sort itself out, okay?
i know.
i know.
Good one.
Good one.
You're an idiot.
You're an idiot.
Alrght thn, STF, y sll-t, crckr-wnn-b. Wht's yr bf, nywy, hm ? G sck n yr wht mstr's C#%K r smthg, btch!!!
Alrght thn, STF, y sll-t, crckr-wnn-b. Wht's yr bf, nywy, hm ? G sck n yr wht mstr's C#%K r smthg, btch!!!
No because i know how you whiteboys think. i see your kind every freakin' day (not just in this country, but all around the world). When some Asian brotha makes a legitimate point that you whiteboys didn't come up with, your kind gets all uptight and bring up some counter-argument, even if y'all know it dun make no sense (*lol*....U.S.-southern speak). Anyway, my original point is as valid as anyone else's. If you've forgotten what i said, go back and re-read my first post on this page about generalizing a study made in the US to the rest of the world. Then ask yourself if your first response to me wasn't made out of spite. You started this fight with me, ya freak, when you said that i have a problem with reading comprehension. (Apparently, you got uptight and developed an inferiority complex when i implied that the Asian researchers and Asian women who prefer whiteboys over Asian men are too US-influenced to know what Asian women in Asian countries think). STOP DENYING THE FACTS. YOU'RE WRONG, OK? RESISTANCE IS FUTILE !!!
No because i know how you whiteboys think. i see your kind every freakin' day (not just in this country, but all around the world). When some Asian brotha makes a legitimate point that you whiteboys didn't come up with, your kind gets all uptight and bring up some counter-argument, even if y'all know it dun make no sense (*lol*....U.S.-southern speak). Anyway, my original point is as valid as anyone else's. If you've forgotten what i said, go back and re-read my first post on this page about generalizing a study made in the US to the rest of the world. Then ask yourself if your first response to me wasn't made out of spite. You started this fight with me, ya freak, when you said that i have a problem with reading comprehension. (Apparently, you got uptight and developed an inferiority complex when i implied that the Asian researchers and Asian women who prefer whiteboys over Asian men are too US-influenced to know what Asian women in Asian countries think). STOP DENYING THE FACTS. YOU'RE WRONG, OK? RESISTANCE IS FUTILE !!!
I made my point that your argument was ridiculous because we're talking about one specific subject and you end up droning about something different. Essentially, you have an answer to a question nobody asked.
I made my point that your argument was ridiculous because we're talking about one specific subject and you end up droning about something different. Essentially, you have an answer to a question nobody asked.
Yo "Rob", i ain't got a problem with reading comprehension. But maybe you got a problem with me saying that a study made in the US should not generalize to the rest of the world. What? Did i hurt your "American Pride" by expressing my opinion as such?
This is you dude: "Oh no! We're losing our grip on the rest of the world. Now our views no longer dominate those of people in other countries. We can't force them to accept our views and ideals as perfect anymore! What do we do now? Aaaaarrrrggghhh ?"
Don't have a cow, man.
You need to chill, bro, before some Asian guy pops you over yo bald heeead. *lol*
Yo "Rob", i ain't got a problem with reading comprehension. But maybe you got a problem with me saying that a study made in the US should not generalize to the rest of the world. What? Did i hurt your "American Pride" by expressing my opinion as such?
This is you dude: "Oh no! We're losing our grip on the rest of the world. Now our views no longer dominate those of people in other countries. We can't force them to accept our views and ideals as perfect anymore! What do we do now? Aaaaarrrrggghhh ?"
Don't have a cow, man.
You need to chill, bro, before some Asian guy pops you over yo bald heeead. *lol*
This study is kinda interesting. i'm an ABC male myself, but i can speak 3 different Chinese dialects and Vietnamese, in addition to the obvious, American-English (and sometimes, "Ching-lish"), of course. The reason i'm mentioning my language fluency is to point out that i'm (what you would call) "cultured". That is, not only am i an ABC, but i've traveled extensively to China, HK, TW, and Vietnam, know almost everything about my own (and the US's) culture, society, religion, demographics, way of life, and know what the "female-preference" environment in all those places are like. And let me tell you that this article failed to mention that this study was made on Asian women who reside here in the US. It did not mention ANYTHING about Asian women living in those motherlands (which is where the majority of Asian women are, by the way). So, we all need to stop being US-centric and think that just because a certain finding, or trend, is discovered in the US that it applies to the rest of the world. No, it's not like that, and i challenge all these US-loving researchers to go do a similar study on those Asian women in those motherlands, and i guarantee that they won't as hell have the same preferences as some of the Asian "White-washed Wendys" in this country.
This study is kinda interesting. i'm an ABC male myself, but i can speak 3 different Chinese dialects and Vietnamese, in addition to the obvious, American-English (and sometimes, "Ching-lish"), of course. The reason i'm mentioning my language fluency is to point out that i'm (what you would call) "cultured". That is, not only am i an ABC, but i've traveled extensively to China, HK, TW, and Vietnam, know almost everything about my own (and the US's) culture, society, religion, demographics, way of life, and know what the "female-preference" environment in all those places are like. And let me tell you that this article failed to mention that this study was made on Asian women who reside here in the US. It did not mention ANYTHING about Asian women living in those motherlands (which is where the majority of Asian women are, by the way). So, we all need to stop being US-centric and think that just because a certain finding, or trend, is discovered in the US that it applies to the rest of the world. No, it's not like that, and i challenge all these US-loving researchers to go do a similar study on those Asian women in those motherlands, and i guarantee that they won't as hell have the same preferences as some of the Asian "White-washed Wendys" in this country.
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Hi, my name is Doug, I'm a white guy (I know she likes me because I'm white) and I would like to date you (I know she wants me). Yeah, like I saw some nice Asian models and a couple of Asian porno's----oh and I like Egg Rolls----so, I thought it would be hot to date an Asian girl (none of which he tells her).
The girl responds (Lisa): Hi Doug (she sizes him up quickly based on his looks, height and dressing style), nice to meet you, I'm Lisa. Sure, I will date you, because I know we will have really cute kids and you are tall.
About the author (White man, early 30's, institutionally educated, but enlightened by the real world).
That above scenario is true at least 50% of the time (I would guess higher)---what a tummy turner, huh
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Hi, my name is Doug, I'm a white guy (I know she likes me because I'm white) and I would like to date you (I know she wants me). Yeah, like I saw some nice Asian models and a couple of Asian porno's----oh and I like Egg Rolls----so, I thought it would be hot to date an Asian girl (none of which he tells her).
The girl responds (Lisa): Hi Doug (she sizes him up quickly based on his looks, height and dressing style), nice to meet you, I'm Lisa. Sure, I will date you, because I know we will have really cute kids and you are tall.
About the author (White man, early 30's, institutionally educated, but enlightened by the real world).
That above scenario is true at least 50% of the time (I would guess higher)---what a tummy turner, huh
I can tell you that Asian Men will end up with a real woman regardless of her race, a real wife and a real family. Not only is he smart, caring, responsible, financially secure, but also culturally respected. You guys can have your fetish and run around like dogs, well you know how dogs operate, but in the end let's see who will have the last laugh. Asian men have been dating outside their own race but they don't brag like you guys. On top of that other race are dating white women vigorously. So later it be left only with a handful of lousy asian women for the white men to hand pick if there are still any at all. It's the white propaganda that creates hatred and war and so let it be.
I can tell you that Asian Men will end up with a real woman regardless of her race, a real wife and a real family. Not only is he smart, caring, responsible, financially secure, but also culturally respected. You guys can have your fetish and run around like dogs, well you know how dogs operate, but in the end let's see who will have the last laugh. Asian men have been dating outside their own race but they don't brag like you guys. On top of that other race are dating white women vigorously. So later it be left only with a handful of lousy asian women for the white men to hand pick if there are still any at all. It's the white propaganda that creates hatred and war and so let it be.
asian women who find a need to act and look white make me sick. They are usually dumb and ignorant. Then you have the white boys who hang around asian guys just to meet asian girls.. they are stupid. With China rising because of the dumb white man bush running this country to shit... you will probably see more white female and asian male couples. I personally find white women very attractive.. definitely a prize to be treasured.
asian women who find a need to act and look white make me sick. They are usually dumb and ignorant. Then you have the white boys who hang around asian guys just to meet asian girls.. they are stupid. With China rising because of the dumb white man bush running this country to shit... you will probably see more white female and asian male couples. I personally find white women very attractive.. definitely a prize to be treasured.
I think Asian women can be self-hating: they want round eyes and paler skin - so the white guy fetish. And white guys are rebelling against white women. This is the reason for this bias crap..
I think Asian women can be self-hating: they want round eyes and paler skin - so the white guy fetish. And white guys are rebelling against white women. This is the reason for this bias crap..
I found all of your comments, with some base of reason, and to say more to the matter
I think we are getting closer to each other and going after we want , it will be very interesting to find out what white woman, think or feel about white man traveling to other country s ,no just Asian, searching for a bride.
I found all of your comments, with some base of reason, and to say more to the matter
I think we are getting closer to each other and going after we want , it will be very interesting to find out what white woman, think or feel about white man traveling to other country s ,no just Asian, searching for a bride.
I'm a light skinned black guy living in UK and in a very happy long term relationship with a Japanese woman.
There are some very interesting points raised in this thread.
Personally I have a very strong physical preference for Oriental women....nothing psychological,no hidden agendas or deep seated issues here, no problems with my own identity or anything else..........they just turn me on physically......pure and simple...and I'm sure most guys if you ask them what attracted them to their wife/girlfriend...it was the way they looked....physical...pure and simple
i have no hang ups about my race, where i'm from, no hidden shame, feelings of inferiority or anything else along those lines....these often being the stupid reasons people against dating outside your 'race' use to ty and explain why you'd do such an unthinkable thing
I'm all for inter-racial relationships and I'm all for so called same race relationships.....whatever makes a couple happy...who cares
If I have a preference then I'd have to say inter racial relationships because it makes for an interesting and often beautiful mix if they have children but mainly because it shows that members of the current generation are willing to overcome the prejudices and outmoded and ignorant attitudes of those against such relationships.
People should be allowed to date/marry whoever they want regardless of race/religion/background and this looks to be happening increasingly...which is a good thing
so called racial identity is over rated...more importanty is to have a strong human/humane identity...regardless of your background..racial or otherwise.
I'm a light skinned black guy living in UK and in a very happy long term relationship with a Japanese woman.
There are some very interesting points raised in this thread.
Personally I have a very strong physical preference for Oriental women....nothing psychological,no hidden agendas or deep seated issues here, no problems with my own identity or anything else..........they just turn me on physically......pure and simple...and I'm sure most guys if you ask them what attracted them to their wife/girlfriend...it was the way they looked....physical...pure and simple
i have no hang ups about my race, where i'm from, no hidden shame, feelings of inferiority or anything else along those lines....these often being the stupid reasons people against dating outside your 'race' use to ty and explain why you'd do such an unthinkable thing
I'm all for inter-racial relationships and I'm all for so called same race relationships.....whatever makes a couple happy...who cares
If I have a preference then I'd have to say inter racial relationships because it makes for an interesting and often beautiful mix if they have children but mainly because it shows that members of the current generation are willing to overcome the prejudices and outmoded and ignorant attitudes of those against such relationships.
People should be allowed to date/marry whoever they want regardless of race/religion/background and this looks to be happening increasingly...which is a good thing
so called racial identity is over rated...more importanty is to have a strong human/humane identity...regardless of your background..racial or otherwise.
I don't think it's the fault of Asian women. I'm an Asian women, and I just find that any man that I'm attracted to has been Caucasian. Is there anything wrong with that? If an Asian man supposedly has no woman attracted to him, because I, an Asian woman, am attracted to another man, that happens to be Caucasian, it's not really something I can change.
I think people should stop placing the blame on some random group or such.
I don't think it's the fault of Asian women. I'm an Asian women, and I just find that any man that I'm attracted to has been Caucasian. Is there anything wrong with that? If an Asian man supposedly has no woman attracted to him, because I, an Asian woman, am attracted to another man, that happens to be Caucasian, it's not really something I can change.
I think people should stop placing the blame on some random group or such.
One thing I cannot stand are the ridiculous arguments or justifications Asian women give for dating/screwing/marrying outside of their ethnicity, primarily, overwhelmingly with white men.
1. I can't date an Asian guy... it'd be like dating my brother, or father.
Holy f---ing s--t. I have never ever heard a white, black, latino, etc woman ever use that empty excuse.
2. Asian men are abusive, patriarchal and old-fashioned.
Funny how so many of them then find a white man who is abusive, patriarchal and old-fashioned.
3. Hapa (mixed Asian and White) babies are so cute, I want to have them.
They're not so cute that White women are seeking out Asian men to have them. (Okay, this one is on the White women who ignore any non-white man)
4. Asian guys have small dicks.
Some do. But if a white guy has a small dick, you'll still screw him.
5. Asian guys are boring, they all have the same jobs.
Some do. But if a white guy has a boring job, you'll still screw him.
6. It's expected of me to marry an Asian guy, I must rebel!
Aside from the few White women who go after Black men, you just do NOT see women from other races "rebelling" like Asian women.
One thing I cannot stand are the ridiculous arguments or justifications Asian women give for dating/screwing/marrying outside of their ethnicity, primarily, overwhelmingly with white men.
1. I can't date an Asian guy... it'd be like dating my brother, or father.
Holy f---ing s--t. I have never ever heard a white, black, latino, etc woman ever use that empty excuse.
2. Asian men are abusive, patriarchal and old-fashioned.
Funny how so many of them then find a white man who is abusive, patriarchal and old-fashioned.
3. Hapa (mixed Asian and White) babies are so cute, I want to have them.
They're not so cute that White women are seeking out Asian men to have them. (Okay, this one is on the White women who ignore any non-white man)
4. Asian guys have small dicks.
Some do. But if a white guy has a small dick, you'll still screw him.
5. Asian guys are boring, they all have the same jobs.
Some do. But if a white guy has a boring job, you'll still screw him.
6. It's expected of me to marry an Asian guy, I must rebel!
Aside from the few White women who go after Black men, you just do NOT see women from other races "rebelling" like Asian women.
Oh, I also forgot to add in my post to RRR, that's less of a racial thing and more of a cultural thing.
Oh, I also forgot to add in my post to RRR, that's less of a racial thing and more of a cultural thing.
Also, to RRR, it's not that Asian men don't want to date black women but rather Asian men solely want to date Asian women. This is why your argument doesn't work.
Simply said, Asian women have walked right 3 steps. Asian men are still in the center. Asian men don't want to walk in the same direction *just* because Asian women did, we want them to walk back to the center.
Also, to RRR, it's not that Asian men don't want to date black women but rather Asian men solely want to date Asian women. This is why your argument doesn't work.
Simply said, Asian women have walked right 3 steps. Asian men are still in the center. Asian men don't want to walk in the same direction *just* because Asian women did, we want them to walk back to the center.
While I do agree that comment was a bit hostile, I do have to say that you're a bit ignorant since the interracial dating patterns are caused by systemic racism that's ingrained in North American society such as media stereotypes and general racial insecurity which is pretty prevalent in Asian Americans..
While we should focus on fixing media stereotypes to remedy the interracial dating/marriage issue, it's not like there is no connection between institutional racism and interracial dating.
Also, while it is every person's right to date and marry who they wish, it's not so cut and dry. Everything Asian women do affect Asian men. Everything Asian men do affects Asian women. For example, if Asian men are treated better in the workplace because of sexism, Asian women get hurt. If Asian women outmarry at such a large rate, Asian men get hurt because it affects their self esteem and perpetuates an insecurity after being told by American society that they're undesirable.
There is no such thing as an activity with no ramifications.
While I do agree that comment was a bit hostile, I do have to say that you're a bit ignorant since the interracial dating patterns are caused by systemic racism that's ingrained in North American society such as media stereotypes and general racial insecurity which is pretty prevalent in Asian Americans..
While we should focus on fixing media stereotypes to remedy the interracial dating/marriage issue, it's not like there is no connection between institutional racism and interracial dating.
Also, while it is every person's right to date and marry who they wish, it's not so cut and dry. Everything Asian women do affect Asian men. Everything Asian men do affects Asian women. For example, if Asian men are treated better in the workplace because of sexism, Asian women get hurt. If Asian women outmarry at such a large rate, Asian men get hurt because it affects their self esteem and perpetuates an insecurity after being told by American society that they're undesirable.
There is no such thing as an activity with no ramifications.
I'd feel more empathy for Asian-American men on this issue if more of you dated African-American women.
But if you're going to ignore your own racism -- as it contributes to reasons why that doesn't happen more often -- then you're hardly in a tenable position to fault Asian-American women for brushing you off because they (allegedly) prefer another race of men to you.
I'd feel more empathy for Asian-American men on this issue if more of you dated African-American women.
But if you're going to ignore your own racism -- as it contributes to reasons why that doesn't happen more often -- then you're hardly in a tenable position to fault Asian-American women for brushing you off because they (allegedly) prefer another race of men to you.
Hi,
Seriously, Ray is on to something with his comments. I always say, if the blackman is running for thr white woman, and the white man is running to the asian woman. This leaves the Asian man and black women to any see each other available.
In short we feel better with other people!
Crazy!
Hi,
Seriously, Ray is on to something with his comments. I always say, if the blackman is running for thr white woman, and the white man is running to the asian woman. This leaves the Asian man and black women to any see each other available.
In short we feel better with other people!
Crazy!
I just want to say that I found Ray's post very full of hatred and sexism towards Asian women. People make decisions about who they date for a lot of reasons. Not wanting to date someone doesn't make you "unable to empathize or sympathize with other human beings." Give me a break. I'm a queer woman, and my girlfriend is Asian. Is she also "causing another segment of the population pain or emasculation?" Maybe if you stopped blaming and demonizing women for dating who they want (which is everyone's RIGHT) and spent some time working on issues of racial oppression or systemic injustice instead of believing that these serious problems come from someone's dating preference, it might be a little more productive.
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