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• Boogerhead

  @A_Lee sorry, again “whose Chinese linguistic ability”

• http://tinabot.blogspot.com/ TinaTsai

  @Ed I agree. Sadly, it always takes society many decades to catch up to it’s advanced scientific understandings. Accepted conventional science has long established that concept of race is moot, and yet we’re still chained down by racial categories, even in terms of who we choose to love.

• powerbee1

  Well I do know that white women in general are really racist and have a deep hatred of asian people specifically of east asian descent for some reason (I think because of the small package).

• juliandr

  @powerbee1 Wow way to stereotype and generalize white women being racist and having a deep hatred of asian people. Sounds like you might be the racist against white women but you may not be. I am a white female and have no hatred nor can I name and white woman who does. Please don’t over generalize. You may have had an encounter with someone who has but that does not mean you can generalize to that. If we want racism and stereotypes to go away, and I know we all do, then lets not start new ones just to feel powerful in what we say.

• juliandr

  @TinaTsai @Ed I agree as well. If we all just stopped talking about it and how bad it is and everything that has happened due to racial differences and hatred, then the concept would not be such a big deal. Race wouldn’t even exits. It would just be cool that we can all be different and have different things to offer. We are so hung up on it! It needs to stop. Just stop talking about it and all the problems that come with i b/c that only makes them continue.

• Ed

  @juliandr @TinaTsai @Ed Well, i appreciate your optimism but keeping silent is not the solution either. The concept of race is ingrained into our physche and it appears in our nature to generalize. Those with racial preferences and biases have to be aware of what that means exactly. It’s not just about preferring blondes over brunettes or blue eyes over brown eyes. People also need to know that even if you are attracted to, date or marry another race, you can still be very racist. Eliminiating the concept of race is an impossibility.

• http://hubpages.com/profile/Pamela+N+Red PamelaNRed

  @Ed @juliandr @TinaTsai

  Very true, Ed. I have seen this. Mostly white men married to woman of a different nationality.

• http://tinabot.blogspot.com TinaTsai

  @Ed @juliandr I totally agree. The census and other survey instruments is a prime example of this. If we pretend the ingrained social concept of race doesn’t exist, then we have no way of measure the inequalities that are occurring because of membership in one of these categories. I.E. if we pretend that skin color doesn’t matter, then we overlook all the inequalities that exist because of race.

  Sorry En Vogue. Colorblind leads to injustice-blind.

• powerbee1

  @juliandr @powerbee1

  I can’t believe anyone would be hurt for telling the truth.

• Micht

  Actually, in Sweden, the Swedish people are not racist at all towards Asian people. Swedish people usually tend to treat the Asian men and women as equals to white Swedish people.

  In Sweden, it is very easy for a Chinese, Korean or Japanese man to get a white Swedish girlfriend or wife. Usually, the white Swedish girls are very attracted to Asian men, because many white Swedish girls think that Asian men are sexually more attractive and more exotic than white Swedish men.

  In Sweden, two-thirds of all the Chinese men will end up getting married to white Swedish girls, and three-quarters of all the Chinese girls will get married to white Swedish men ( as usual, it is always easier for Chinese girls than for Chinese men to be accepted by white people).

  link http://asians-against-racism.socialgo.com/forum/topic/6

• Micht

  @A_Lee

  There is no reason why a white girl could not learn to speak Chinese and become assimilated into Chinese culture.

  Look at former Chinese president Chiang Ching Kuo’s Russian wife. She learned to speak Chinese and she assimilated into Chinese culture.

  The Chinese parents should just make sure that the white daughter in law learns to speak proper Chinese and assimilates into Chinese culture.

• mormonapril

  @powerbee1 @juliandr or you know, bee, you could just be an idiot.

• jae

  Why do people hate Asian female/white male relationships? Let’s start the stereotyping and generalizations, shall we?

• http://hubpages.com/profile/Pamela+N+Red PamelaNRed

  @jae Read it again, Hon. You have it backwards.

• KyleSmith

  @Micht Yes, but people are more comfortable seeing asian woman with white man (just about anywhere in the world), but you keep believing, and maybe someday in your fantasy world, you can show us the light lmao.

• KyleSmith

  @juliandr

  Actually there are quite a few racist white women, Dr. Laura, Ann Coulter (this chicks scary), just about all the conservative white female republicans (these women are so crazy and manic), racist UCLA student Alexandra Wallace (although I do not believe she hates)…it’s been said racism is taught by white females.

• http://hubpages.com/profile/Pamela+N+Red PamelaNRed

  @KyleSmith@juliandr

  Not all conservative white women are racist it just seems that type have the loudest voice.

  I always thought it was the white guys pushing their beliefs on people. They made the laws stating it was illegal for white women to date or marry a man who wasn’t Caucasian before 1968.

• mwei

  @PamelaNRed@KyleSmith@juliandr it’s kind of funny back in the day they considered it a form of insanity. lol

  http://anbmsource.com/node/857

• http://hubpages.com/profile/Pamela+N+Red PamelaNRed

  @mwei@KyleSmith@juliandr

  It was a sad way white men had of controlling white women. Thank goodness times have changed.

• KyleSmith

  @PamelaNRed

  I really wish organized religion would just go away. We don’t need that. I’m tired of hearing tea party people, I’m tired of hearing muslim extremists, I’m tired of hearing kkk, neo nazis, ignorant people like Pastor Jones (and I don’t understand how he can call himself pastor).

  Back in the day, organized religion was the only institution to instill fear on people and forced people to do things so the church can make money (it’s all about power), and look at the problems were having now. We have the famine crisis in Somalia (no thanks to muslim extremists), Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines, crisis in the middle east, BS war in Afghanistan, the never ending hatred of Jews, etc. I’m tired of religion, it needs to be abolished!!!!

• KyleSmith

  @mormonapril Mormons aren’t any better.

• jae

  @PamelaNRed I understand the topic, Pamela. My point is that generalizations and stereotypes are made for many types of persons and relationships in American society. The same negativity that an Asian male might feel/experience when dating a white female, is a similar negativity that white males feel when dating Asian females. My point is that no single person or persons are to blame, it’s a societal problem/issue. The issue here is the rampant stereotyping of races and bi-racial relationships which has become a prominent, and ugly, aspect of American society today. I feel much more comfortable in a bi-racial relationship in Europe than in America.

• jae

  @PamelaNRed And the author notices this point: “I’m also going to assume that this is gender irrelevant and works the other way around.”

  But fails to do it much justice.

• Jack

  @jae

  No offense, but the two interracial couples you mentioned are not viewed the same. I agree there is generalization and stereotyping regardless of the race from society for interracial couples (and there is going to be people that just hate because they can) but there is still a perception that certain interracial couples are unfairly being marginalized due to the fact they’re not as common. And when you do see those rare pairings, there seems to be a lot more hate than the usual interracial couples we see and why does it really matter? That’s the whole point of this article.

• jae

  @Jack@jae “there is still a perception that certain interracial couples are unfairly being marginalized due to the fact they’re not as common. ” So you’re saying one type of marginalization is more important than another? Hate is hate. Marginalization is marginalization.

• Jack

  @jae NO! I’m saying there seems to be a perception the usual interracial couples are OK compared to the rare ones, according to this article, how hard is that to understand?? I’m just pointing out what this article is trying to say, and you’re just philosophizing which is fine, I’m not disagreeing with you, but you’re going off topic of this article and I was just agreeing with Pamela.

• jae

  @Jack “the usual interracial couples are OK compared to the rare ones … how hard is that to understand??”. This is completely understandable, and is a topic that has ben beaten to a pulp. Lots of people apparently can not go beyond this, but instead choose to whinge, which is just childish and annoying.

• http://hubpages.com/profile/Pamela+N+Red PamelaNRed

  @jae Jae, I just wanted to make sure you read it correctly. Most white men see that title and automatically read it backwards.

  There is a huge difference in how they are accepted here in America. I live in Oklahoma where people are more diverse and accepting of these unions but if you are in New York City or some other areas people over look an Asian woman with a white guy but some will take offense of a white woman with an Asian guy.

• http://hubpages.com/profile/Pamela+N+Red PamelaNRed

  @jae@Jack The fact is, Jae. White guys can sleep with whomever they please but minorities are not always allowed to be with white women, depending on where you are.

  The media has glamorized black men with white women but it is still rare to see an Asian guy with a white woman in movies or television shows. It is slowly changing but not where it should be yet.

• Rainshadow

  OMG. I’m black, but you guys have the “there aren’t enough _______ men, and that’s why all the women are now dating white men (even if it’s actually miniscule number of women)” crisis, too?

• duberdabs

  “small package?” talk about stereotyping. 100% guarantee that powerbee1, like everyone pretty much everyone else perpetuating that myth, doesn’t have any experience with asian packages. as a bisexual i’ve slept with about a hundred guys of all races, and there ain’t truth to the small package myth.

• duberdabs

  you know, there are people out there that hate everything. don’t sweat it. i’m an asian man and years ago i used to think a lot of white girls were racist against asians. in the past four or five years i’ve dated and/or hooked up with about 80 girls, most of ‘em white (i live in a mostly white city). many of them told me their parents or grandparents would not be happy that they were sleeping with an asian man. but the girls themselves – they had NOTHING against it. every generation’s less racist, and ours is already a generation of great, open-minded people. anyone worrying about other people not liking it if they date other races, or worried about not being able to get with a girl/guy regardless of race, should work on their own confidence. then go out and make it happen.

• TinaM

  What…? That can’t be true. I am a white female and i absolutely adore asian men. I can’t help it, the ones i have known are some of the sweetest and polite gentlemen I have ever met.

• nixie

  Actually, when it comes down to it the Asian gene is a lot stronger than the white gene…so no real worry about dilution; the kids will turn out looking like most of the female actors in Asian soaps now a days

• Lilikoi

  Ok I just gotta chime in here.I know this about white women & Asian men and I’m not Asian but I hope it’s ok to comment.

  I think people hate it because white women are put on a pedestal and haters feel like ‘why is she with him when she can have anybody?’ I know I’ve been dissed by an Asian guy or two because they preferred a white girl but I didn’t sweat it because obviously he wasn’t the guy for me. I’m half Native American and me and my Asian ex bf’s would literally get called the worst names, laughed at and physically challenged/attacked by white, black & Hispanic people simply because they hated the fact that I was with an Asian or Asian American guy. Just getting on the subway became such a daily nightmare that my umbrella ended up doubling as a weapon & THAT was in NYC …some melting pot. It was one of the reasons I decided to leave.

  There were less physical than verbal incidents if my bf was tall & Asian, but there was hell to pay if he wasn’t tall or god forbid…my height. I wouldn’t date a white guy just simply because of his tall stature. I don’t get why height makes a big difference anyway.

  But in Hawaii, Alaska and Seattle I had zero problems, go figure…

• Jack

  That’s too bad you had to leave. Those guys that wanted to physically challenge did it out of fear, because it’s not usual to see asian guy with non asian woman (though Native Americans are related to Asians).

  Also, Hawaii, Alaska, and Seattle are all in the west coast where the perception is that usually people judge you by getting to know you first rather than judging you without knowing anything about you. NYC is diverse but it’s east coast attitude where the perception is that they judge you first before getting to know you. Once New Yorkers get to know you, they’re not as mean. I know this for a fact because I had a friend who was born in Portland, lived in Seattle all her life and wanted to experience New York, and she lived in NYC for couple years. She was saying Portland and Seattle seems much more relaxed than NYC, everything seems so fast paced, city that never sleeps.

• Lilikoi

  @Jack Though I was a transplant I lived most of my life NY and with the cramped living situation, history of colonial slavery ( yes even in NY), immigration coupled with over population creates an “interesting” environment but you don’t expect the reactions that you potentially could receive. With that said though NY’s various Chinatowns & K-towns are very safe for me because people mind their own business.

  I could count on one hand the number of AM/WF couples I saw in the entire 5 boroughs over the course of 13 years. I expected to see more couples on the west coast but the few times I saw white chics with Asian guys was at the mall and the were under 20, but then again I don’t live there full time. NYers are generally very open minded but true that the west coast is much better in when it comes to Asian interracial dating & just being more laid back in general from my experience. My bf is Japanese American (raised around whites & N.A.’s) and when we go west I never feel like I have to watch my back.People merely glance then look away.

  But I think this topic makes me stop and really wonder why anybody would be so concerned with who another person sleeps with. Hey you like what you like ^__^

• Able8

  Look as a white guy I feel like the whole white girls not dating asian guy thing is a california phenomena. All my asian guy friends are the “where the white women at types”. No problem dating attractive white women. I am in the south too (If that means anything to you). That being said, how many white people do you know? I have not met any caucasian with the “don’t dilute the line” outlook. I am sure it might be because people tend to be friends with others that have similar interests (non racists with non racists doing non racy things). I am just saying it can’t really be that many people, right? We pretty much see each other as mutts already.

• Jack

  Depends where you’re at. I saw on ABC national news the other day asians are a rising population especially in the southwest and southeast. There are 17 million asians living in the U.S.

• Able8

  @Jack @jack and Lilikoi To jack that’s true it’s an increasing population. My point being, When I hear asian men complaining about how WMAF are not much of a problem if only WF date them more often. Living in the southeast US it really is about even. I generally think those complaining are Californian, and I think California has a different culture than the rest of the US. Different history and population makeup gives people a different outlook. It’s just here even “Fobs” can get attractive white women. It’s just that them being asian is neither a benefit nor an obstacle in the southeast. Nor do I find other white dudes like myself suffering from “yellow fever”. Yeah asian women are attractive, There just is not a huge preference for only them here. I deal with out of state college students here from california. I feel the asian women from there have a real big head from their perceived desirability. The asian american males are a bit more outgoing and don’t rub off as jerks, so the dating pool is better for them here.

  I also feel like some women do exaggerate their perceived prejudice against those kinds of relationships. There is what I would call a Romeo and Juliet syndrome. They like the romanticism behind the contraversie of their relationship, and people not wanting them to be together. To fulfill that fantasy a cognitive dissonance develops just to make that fantasy come true.

  Honestly with my experience, my gut reaction was that the author was full of shit. Also Lilikoi too maybe full of shit. Living in the south, I never experienced any of that. They both maybe truthful it’s just I don’t believe I lived a sheltered existence, IN THE SOUTH. It is a cold day in hell when the south has the moral high-ground when it comes to interracial relationships.

  Also Lilikoi as an addendum I believe you are so full of shit. You might not be ,but quite frankly I need to be convinced you had to deal with that kind of racism. I mean neck deep in shit.

• mwei

  @Able8 must be just my shitty imagination then that I’ve been called frequently “Chink” “Chinaman” and “go back to China” when I was going to school in the South with the “heritage” battle axe flown on every pickup at football games.

  FOBs don’t know the history, let alone what “Chink” means, methinks…

• Jack

  In a big city like NYC, I am not surprised at all from Lilikoi’s experience. You say you’re a white guy, try to take a point of the minority. There have been racist incidents in NY, like the hate crime in Howard Beach, Queens. There were also police brutality towards minority when Giuliani was mayor. He did clean up the city, but he did it in a brutal way. NOPE, I disagree the usual interracial couples are even with rare interracial couples.

• Jack

  @Able8 point of view of the minority I mean.

• Able8

  @Jack Hmm you see my racial makeup is actually a bit confusing for me. My grandmother being Korean, in elementary school I was often called a chink when she picked me up. The weird thing is, I was always considered white until they saw me with her. Afterwards, they look at my eyes and can’t stop seeing my asianness. I can’t tell you how long I spent in the mirror with my hands on my face asking myself who I actually am. From then on I kind of played up my scandanavianness. Being a blue eyed blond other white people were often intrigued by my viking heritage. Any desire to explore my Korean heritage was often met with suspicion by other asians. They often claimed I was envious of them when all I really cared about was knowing my grandmother. I was never by the asian community evaluated by the sum of my parts but instead as a human being made unwhole. The white community instead found my korean side fascinating, but I felt they see me a rare animal in a zoo rather than a person. I later accepted the fact race is less of a genetic issue than more of a social construct. So now I call myself white socially but legally mutl-racial on census stuff and college transcripts (fucking awesome). I learned when I became an adult whiteness and asianness is determined primarily how you look than what you really are. Look at Barak Obama, He is just as much white as he is Black, yet he is only referred to as black. I admittedly don’t mention my grandmother because often, when I tell my friends they cannot stop seeing it, and I cannot take the identity crisis I am having again. Look, if anyone knew the difficulty of interracial dating it would be my grandparents. They were together when they were forbidden by each others parents, and were together several years before marriage between them became legal. In the South, hatred was directed not to my grandmother but towards my grandfather because it was he who was the traitor in their eyes. I am not saying racist stuff does not happen today, but I goddamn well know it cannot be that bad. Trust me Lilikoi might be telling the truth but all I am saying it’s very likely she’s full of shit. Goddammit Jack thanks for the can of worms.

• Jack

  @Able8 That’s very interesting about your grandmother. Thanks for sharing that. There is a word used to call someone who passes off being more white “passing” and I’ve seen previews of J.Edgar movie which is about J.Edgar Hoover so I decided to read about him online. What’s interesting was that J.Edgar Hoover may have had African-American ancestry but it’s said he was so full of hate towards blacks, he would go after anyone who would wanted to do some background research on him. The other FBI agents would talk to each other about how Hoover had a unique look, with his thick hair, curly, darker skin, and they suspect he has African-American origin.

• mwei

  @Able8 paragraghs! there’s a wonderful button on your keyboard called the return button.

  at least you don’t have a Cherokee grandma…

  however, in the US you’re mostly treated by how you look. otherwise, I’m a black man trapped in an Asian man’s body

• Lilikoi

  @Able8 I guess when a women spat at me & my boyfriend and said “EW! you’re mixing!!” that was a merely a figment of my imagination. How dare you minimize victims of hate crimes.

  As a “white” man what the hell do you know? Please continue to enjoy the privileges you have and hope a group of guys never tries to take a swing at you because you’re walking your Asian girlfriend in your Utopian confederated south.

• lukevnguyen

  @Able8@Jack I think it’s just some weird combination of demographics, culture and perceptions that causes the bizarro situation here in California, especially the Bay Area. The white guy with yellow fever thing makes sense considering the gender imbalance and the plurality of guys in tech-sector (nerds). Asian women’s ego go up exponentially, positive feedback cycle for the Asian women, negative feedback cycle for the guys. It’s mainly due to the gender imbalance, the guys (of all races) are settling for what’s available. I honestly don’t even think a lot of the white guys here prefer Asian women to any other women, it’s just that when there’s so few women to begin with and the fact that the only available women a lot of the times are Asian, you get the idea.

  There’s a lot more to it, but that’s the jist of the bizarro situation here in the Bay Area. It’s not just me who thinks the women are spoiled, a friend of mine who recently immigrated from Belarus tells me the same thing. I also don’t buy into the assumption that white women are somehow racist. The white women here are sweat hearts compared to their Asian American counterparts.

• Dosanjee

  Wow! So much yakety-yak on this particular blog post…I’m too incompetent to keep up. Ya’ll are crazy.

• Raii

  I see nothing wrong with this. I mean everyone is bound to be mixed at some point but its due to the fact of many Asian Stereotypes that developed in the country in the last hundred years are so that causing the massive hatred on Asian Men and Caucasian women but I just noticed I do not see anyone complaining about Asian Women and Caucasian Men? Is the stereotype and massive hatred just aimed at Asian Males?